Souths1der
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G.Skill has a 3600 4x4 kit that is on MSI's compatibility list. Besides lack of expansion possibilities, you see any problem with running 4 sticks rather than 2?
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FEATURED G.Skill Trident Z 2x8GB DDR4-3600 CL16 - F4-3600C16D-16GTZ
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Better get 2 just because on 2 memory sticks it's possible to set higher frequency than on 4. I mean in 1/3 slot memory is usually working at higher max clock so you may find an issue to set all 4 sticks at 3600 if you couldn't set it on your current kit. It can be like 2 = 3600 but 4 = 3200 ( just an example ).
You can also check TridentZ 2x8GB but 3000/3200 14-14-14. I have 3000 C14 and 3600 C16. Both are overclocking almost the same while 3000 is cheaper.
It's still hard to say how other high frequency memory will act on your motherboard. So far I had no issues with 3600 kit on MSI and ASUS. I'm also using it on ASRock X99 but at 3200 C13 just because this platform has limited max clock.
You can also check TridentZ 2x8GB but 3000/3200 14-14-14. I have 3000 C14 and 3600 C16. Both are overclocking almost the same while 3000 is cheaper.
It's still hard to say how other high frequency memory will act on your motherboard. So far I had no issues with 3600 kit on MSI and ASUS. I'm also using it on ASRock X99 but at 3200 C13 just because this platform has limited max clock.
Souths1der
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This is great information. I really think that G.Skill kit was bad somehow since I was able to OC my 3000 Vengeance to 3466 and I couldn't even get the G.Skill 3600 working at anything over 3100. Either that or it truly is not compatible with the Gaming 7. In any event, I'm not goin to risk it by trying another 3600 kit. Now abut going from 4 -> 2 sticks... I used to run with 8GB (2x4) and then added 2 more sticks to hit 16Gb (4x4). I did see a noticeable improvement in my benchmarks. So that improvement had more to do with the larger amount of RAM? That's the only I have that gives me pause going back to 2 sticks.
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Hard to say. I think it's more motherboard than memory itself. Maybe MSI hasn't improved BIOS for these new kits. At least in our Benching Team couple of guys have these kits and all are really satisfied with the results.
You can try MSI profiles for Samsung. It should be under Try It or something similar ( forgot how that option is called ).
Right now I'm playing with 3000 C14+3600 C16 TridentZ kits on ASRock X99M Killer motherboard and I'm able to run it at pretty stable 3466 14-14-14. Both kits are on the same memory chips so in total 32GB in quad channel. I will add results to TridentZ 3000 CL14 thread.
Performance depends from many factors so if application can use more RAM then probably results will be better. Also motherboard may change settings which are hidding under "auto" what also affects performance.
You can try MSI profiles for Samsung. It should be under Try It or something similar ( forgot how that option is called ).
Right now I'm playing with 3000 C14+3600 C16 TridentZ kits on ASRock X99M Killer motherboard and I'm able to run it at pretty stable 3466 14-14-14. Both kits are on the same memory chips so in total 32GB in quad channel. I will add results to TridentZ 3000 CL14 thread.
Performance depends from many factors so if application can use more RAM then probably results will be better. Also motherboard may change settings which are hidding under "auto" what also affects performance.
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Not many updates in this thread as I had 2 motherboards in RMA.
Here is XTU on i3 6320 and Trident Z 3600@ ~3700 12-12-12-28 CR 1N, tRFC 185 ~1.70V
Just as a reminder, results at 1.35-1.45V are the same as on Trident Z 2x8GB 3000 CL14 so you can take a look at this thread. Both memory kits are on the same Samsung B die and are overclocking the same.
Here is XTU on i3 6320 and Trident Z 3600@ ~3700 12-12-12-28 CR 1N, tRFC 185 ~1.70V
Just as a reminder, results at 1.35-1.45V are the same as on Trident Z 2x8GB 3000 CL14 so you can take a look at this thread. Both memory kits are on the same Samsung B die and are overclocking the same.
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That's crazy Woomack I came here thinking you got some new ram after seeing that score on the bot and I see this WTF, guess I am killing my Asrock OCF for no reason two dead boards now because of pushing my ram which make no sense any way looks like a one in a million run I be lucky to break 400 with those settings-nice job 
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Thanks. I made that at lower memory clock and tighter sub timings than most results in the top of the list. My kit simply can't make ~3866+ at these settings. At the end it depends from memory but also from the board and OS. I had to reinstall Windows couple of times as it was starting to generate errors even at barely overclocked settings.
CL12-12-12 at so high clock ( and there are higher in the ranking too ) won't be ever stable. It's not because of memory but Windows has problems to address memory at these settings and generates errors.
I have 2nd ASRock OCF and it's just acting weird. I simply don't trust this motherboard. Maybe it's the best for overclocking but when I start to push it more then I feel like it will stuck at 00 or 19 or other error code and will be next RMA. When I set higher clock on i3 then I often have to turn off PSU to make it work as it stops at 00 error.
CL12-12-12 at so high clock ( and there are higher in the ranking too ) won't be ever stable. It's not because of memory but Windows has problems to address memory at these settings and generates errors.
I have 2nd ASRock OCF and it's just acting weird. I simply don't trust this motherboard. Maybe it's the best for overclocking but when I start to push it more then I feel like it will stuck at 00 or 19 or other error code and will be next RMA. When I set higher clock on i3 then I often have to turn off PSU to make it work as it stops at 00 error.
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I had SA/IO at auto for some reason and board set it to ~1.36V SA / ~1.30V IO. I think it can be lower as results on MSI @4133 were at about 1.25/1.25V. I still have to check some other settings but I doubt that at this voltage I can make CL16. It simply can't boot.
What is interesting, max clock at which this memory is working on ASRock is ~4240. Somewhere there OS is freezing while 4200 seems stable. Not a big difference between stability and problems with booting.
What is interesting, max clock at which this memory is working on ASRock is ~4240. Somewhere there OS is freezing while 4200 seems stable. Not a big difference between stability and problems with booting.
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This is good news, since I just bought the TridentZ 2x8 3000 CL14 kit. I'll find out how well it works on my Giga board.
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Memory was for sure on air cooling. CPU probably on water but I don't remember.
ASUS boards are not the best for memory overclocking. I had 2 Z170 ROG boards. Ranger couldn't pass 3600, Hero couldn't pass 4000 and Extreme is about the same as Hero. I sold both. Most results in this thread ( or in TridentZ DDR4-3000 CL14 thread ) were made on MSI Z170I Gaming Pro AC and ASRock Z170 OC Formula. These are the best boards for memory overclocking. New ASRock Z170M OCF seems to be better but I'm not planning to buy it anytime soon.
Maximum stable clock which I could set on my Maximus VIII Hero was 3866. It was working at 4000 but had some stability issues. At 3866 you should be able to set CL15-15-15 or 16-16-16 at 1.35-1.40V.
This is good news, since I just bought the TridentZ 2x8 3000 CL14 kit. I'll find out how well it works on my Giga board.
I wouldn't expect much on Gigabyte as these boards are designed to work at lower frequencies. However you can try to set something like 3200 13-13-13 or 3400 14-14-14.
Here is DDR4-3000 C14 thread where are also DDR4-3600 results as both kits are on the same IC and overclock about the same.
I also have DDR4-3200 CL15 kit which is the same but so far there is no thread about this memory. Let's say you won't see there more than in 3000 and 3600 threads
With some luck I will make review of new TridentZ 2x16GB DDR4-3200 kit soon.
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The QVL lists memory up to 3866 MHz, but that doesn't mean the board will do it. I'll download the manual and do some reading.
edit: Well, that was an education. According to the mobo manual the board only supports 2133 MHz.
edit: Well, that was an education. According to the mobo manual the board only supports 2133 MHz.
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If there is 3866 memory on QVL list then it was probably tested on this board and there is a chance you can set higher clock. You won't know if you won't test it
Generally when you set 3600 16-16-16-36 command rate 2 and 1.4V then it should set everything else automatically. When you make it boot and find it stable then you can try at lower voltage.
You may need to set VCCSA/IO voltages manually as motherboard will probably set it too low or too high. At 3600 both should be at ~1.15-1.20V max. For tests you can try if up to 1.25V is helping in stability.
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I haven't played with memory too much. I tightened up the timings on my current DDR3 but that's it. I'll find out when I get the new rig together. I just got all the parts ordered last night so now I wait.
hi friends, this is the best thing I managed to get overclock, will you help me? I do not understand why after this I can not go further. I'm currently with 1.4v of memory, and I try to give it 1.42 and the team still does not start, and I do not know why ...
Gigabyte Aourus Ultra Gaming rev 1
F4-3600C17-8GTZR X2
THANK YOU !
Gigabyte Aourus Ultra Gaming rev 1
F4-3600C17-8GTZR X2
THANK YOU !
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Just try some more relaxed timings or higher voltage like 17-17-17/17-18-18 and 1.45-1.50V. It can be also your motherboard but if it runs at CL16 3733 then I guess that can make 3866-4000 without issues. 4000 usually runs at 19-19-19 1.35-1.45V.
Ok, and DRAM Training CH/A/B Voltage ? DDRVPP CH/A/B Voltage ? DRAM Termination CH? All sttings are in AUTO.
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All that can stay at auto. Motherboards are setting these voltages automatically and manual settings shouldn't be required even at higher clock. Training voltage can be a bit higher than DRAM voltage when are problems with booting at higher clock.
