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gainward golden sample and radeon 8500

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h20link

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well i've been running an OEM 8500.....but i've had some lockup problems, and i think the card is overheating so it's about to get RMA'ed. My question is, if i switch over to a gainward geforce3 golden sample (ti200) am i going to be taking a big step down?

Don't the OEM 8500 GPU's run at 250mhz? I know the ti200's run at like 175 but can be OC'ed.... I guess I just wonder if i'm going to be hating life after the switch.
 

RainMaQer

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Both cards can be overclocked... if your 8500 is at 250/250 already you have a good chance of hitting retail speeds (275/275). The ti200 is clocked at 175/400 but will hit ti500 speeds (240/500) pretty easily... The difference isn't strictly in the speed that it runs at... it also has to do with the arctitecture... a ti500 and an 8500 are pretty close in performance... going to a ti200 will be a performance loss... but can be made up more or less by overclocking... which is kind of a catch 22... as the 8500 can be oc'd as well ;)
 

NASsoccer

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i would say that between those two cards you would have to go with the radeon. Now that ATi doesn't have all the driver issues it is an awesome buy. If you are going to get a geforce card then you might as well save and get a 4, because unless you are getting a ti500 gf3 then the radeon will leave the other gf's behind.
 

SaT985

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ati cards are nice, but wait 5months after they come out for the drivers to become good and stable. trust me, the image quality is (&(* on the geforce 3's. i couldnt stand the look so i went out and got a 8500. the ti 200's are very good at fsaa, they do it well and they do it fast. the 8500 on the other hand is still pretty fast at it, just not quite up to the ti200. 8500 will be better for newer games though. i don't think you'll be running q4 or doom3, ut2k3, etc...with 4xfsaa on for a couple of years:p
 
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h20link

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yeah i've been having driver issues with my 8500........I don't think i'll buy another ATI. The image quality is good and all but i'm just not impressed by the drivers. I think (personally) i trust nvidia's drivers a lot more, which is why i want to switch to a geforce3
 

Cerial_Killer

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I agree about the driver issues, I am a Nvida Fan myself and figured I would try a ATI and see how they did. So I purchased a 8500 Retail. Its a good card dont get me wrong but it is very picky when it comes to trying new drivers. I think when it comes time to get a new card I will go ahead and get a Nvidia card.

BTW you might just spend like $40 dollors like I did and by a cooling kit for it. http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/ I got a crystal Orb and ramsinks and some artic alumina for $40. Cheaper than buying a new card anyways. Then when all the good stuff comes out you can upgrade to a new card. Just my opinion though.

Good Luck
 

Element-Xero

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The Gainward is WAY WAY WAY more fun to overclock! Isn't that why you're here?! Heh, well I got insane overclocks with my gf3ti200 powerpack card. I had to add a lot of cooling ability (aircooling rocks ;)) and better tgrease but it just kept being able to handle more and more until i got it to 250/590 and it started to get screwy. But i run at 245/580-85 (depending on how hot the day is) usually and thats pretty damn good of an oc. Maybe I just got a crazy card but I still say go for the rewarding oc expirience over out-of-box okay-ness.

%O
 

Silver

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Element-Xero said:
The Gainward is WAY WAY WAY more fun to overclock! Isn't that why you're here?! Heh, well I got insane overclocks with my gf3ti200 powerpack card. I had to add a lot of cooling ability (aircooling rocks ;)) and better tgrease but it just kept being able to handle more and more until i got it to 250/590 and it started to get screwy. But i run at 245/580-85 (depending on how hot the day is) usually and thats pretty damn good of an oc. Maybe I just got a crazy card but I still say go for the rewarding oc expirience over out-of-box okay-ness.

%O

Like this response however Rainmaqer is on in my opinion. I do not own a Radeon however everything I have read and all the madonion results, etc....The Radeon has more potential. As it says above, the gf3 ti200 is a lot of fun to play with and I have spent a lot of time rescently working on mine. At 10072 it is doing real well on 3dmark2001 but the radeons are capable of breaking 11,000 and ....well....I really would be surprised if I could get there. This is clocked at 269/601 and that is pretty good for a ti200.
 

{PMS}fishy

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Dont get the ti200, if you want the geoforce go for the golden sample 450 or the ti500. A ti 200 is lame compared to a radeon 8500. I have my oem radeon at 280/275 with stock cooling. Its solid too with 90XX 3dmark scores. Whoops the ti200.
 

Silver

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{PMS}fishy said:
Dont get the ti200, if you want the geoforce go for the golden sample 450 or the ti500. A ti 200 is lame compared to a radeon 8500. I have my oem radeon at 280/275 with stock cooling. Its solid too with 90XX 3dmark scores. Whoops the ti200.

Lame, now I do think the radeon 8500 has more potential but Lame? hmmmmm...naw, I'll leave it at that.:cool:
 

{PMS}fishy

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The 8500 owns the ti200, the ti500 is another story. the ti200 compared to an oem radeon at 230/230 is still lame. The radeon owns.
 

{PMS}fishy

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Yeah the radeon's with the higher speed xps are good for over 10000. ATI is was better than the geoforce 3's
 

RainMaQer

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Silver said:
Rainmaqer, I am being baited. Help. Hmmmm...you did say you are getting 90xx?


Ok... I'll help... try and watercool an 8500 ;) The ram chips are on both sides... making cooling a little more difficult than the ti200. I myself would take an 8500 if it was given to me... or for under $100... but for now I think the ti200 is the way to go... besides... the gainward is red :D
 

Silver

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He apparently is not on the team as the "lame" ti200 is beating his ...ah....8500. The Radeon however does have more potential.