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Nimhs

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I am putting together a build for my cousin and would like some help with i7 parts. There will be no overclock so I'd like to save money on mb, etc where possible. He will mostly be gaming (WoW is primary game) and he will also like to hook it to a 45''+ hdtv for gaming, movies, etc.

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Core i7 920 - microcenter 199.99

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - 149.99 RAM

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB - 79.99 Harddrive

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 - 139.99 Case

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W - 98.99 (78.99 w/ MIR) Power

XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB XXX Edition - 427.99 Graphics

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I still need to pick a motherboard. Something that performs well but it doesn't need to have fancy overclock options as I don't believe it will ever be OC'd.

Help critiquing current specs? No parts are set in stone as I just threw it together a few minutes ago. I will have them pick a case. I just put in the 935 to get an idea of price. I am going to recommend something with a lot of space though since they will be putting the components together and it is their first build.

I'm also not sure on what is a solid graphics card. Being the day after Christmas, a lot of 5870's are sold out at the egg. I just grabbed this XFX card but have no idea if they make a quality gpu.

Anyone game on a 45''+ LCD HDTV? I wouldn't mind hearing input on that as well. My cousin still has to purchase a tv. They will be gaming on a standard monitor most of the time though I think.
 

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An [1366] i7 is probably way overkill for gaming, especially if it's mostly WoW. And if you do go i7, its a SIN not to overclock it. These things are just begging for extra clocks.

If you do decide to stay i7 with no overclock the RAM might be overkill. As for a motherboard I love my EVGA x58 SLI LE. It's a bit pricey but it's a good board and has a dummy OC feature which might get your feet wet enough that you guys decide to take the plunge into full-blown overclocking.
 
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I agree it's probably overkill. I did mention to him that an AMD build would perform about the same for games and save a bit of money. He just said saving money isn't that important and really just wants a kicking gaming machine.

I was thinking of putting up a comparable AMD build just to show him the price difference. If anyone wants to help with that, feel free!

Thanks btw, NV. I will take a look at that board. I guess I'm not positive about the overclocking. Perhaps they'll get into it. I'll have to ask.
 

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i5 may be a possible choice too. It is very good for gaming if you are using only a singlr graphics card. The motherboard and RAM (4gb vs 6gb)are also cheaper.

i5 is much better than anything AMD have to offer, im not from US but pretty sure i5 is $150 at microcenter.

WoW needs very little to max out... and i5 and 5870 (or 50) would be more than enough by the sounds of things and still perform very well in higher demanding games

Unless he needs the full size HAF932 the 922 would be a better option.
 

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i have a i7 920 and a 5850. maybe if he is running tripple screen 30 inch monitors, a 5870 will be good for him? :p I never played wow so I don't know exactly how intensive it can be in intense battles.
 

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wow will run just fine maxxed out on an 8800gt or less even.. its not graphically intense at all.. it is however very CPU dependant. i7 is way overkill for that.. i suggest an i5 or an amd 955be

i ran wow on a raedon 4630 at mostly max settinngs with a athlon 3800+.. just as an fyi..

since they only really want the system for something like wow, i totally suggest going AMD as its more bang for the buck.. you can almost get a very top notch machine for 1100 give or take.. going the route of i5 gives you some future proofing since that same mobo would also be able to support the i7 860 and other models as they come out... just something to think about

haf922 (which I just got) is more than adequte as well.. 932 is a full tower, which is huge.. the 922 is still pretty large compared to say the normal gateway/dell systems that you can buy at like a bestbuy or some electronics store.. and it fits every new graphics card out there i believe.. great cooling, looks good and easy to work with.

The 5870 is also way way overkill for something like wow.. but very good for any new game thats coming out.. hell i dont even have one cause of the price right now, but if i had the spare cash, id go for it... if you're looking to budget a little, get a 57xx series which still supports dx11, or a 4890 since its still a contender in the power graphics department and under 200.

Take a look at the stickies at the beginning of the forums, one should be something about computer builds.. budget/midrange/highend (though its all preference).. would give you a good guide as to what parts and what prices to expect.

i7 is really only needed.. and i stress the word needed here.. for serious multitasking.. encoding/decoding movies + a few sessions of photoshop + 15 other random apps at one time without tons of hiccups
 
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Nimhs

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Going to do it for u :)
Do u want all part from microcenter or newegg?

Micro center is nearby but only there if it's less money. I imagine he'd have to order at least some parts so wouldn't save the wait. And thanks for helping!
 

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Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive 79.99 freeship
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136283

XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB XXX Edition 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail 427,99 freeship
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150456
Combo Deal Mobo + phenom II 955 - ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail ---> im not a beast about AMD mobo but look like a good one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.303822
264.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 98,99 Freeship
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

In total u would safe 100+ Depends on what I7 Mobo u will buy.
Diff : I7 920 2.66ghz --- Phenom II 955 3.2ghz





Total : $1,031.95
 
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Antec Nine Hundred - 89.99 Case

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB - 79.99 HD

GIGABYTE GA-MA790GPT-UD3H AM3 AMD 790GX - 114.99 (99.99 w/ MIR) MB

HIS H585F1GDG Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB - 314.99 Graphics

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W - 98.99 (79.99 w/ MIR) Power

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - 95.99 RAM

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - 175.99 CPU

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - 104.99

Drive = 31.99

Total = 1107.91

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Core i7 920 - microcenter 199.99

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - 149.99 RAM

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB - 79.99 Harddrive

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 - 99.98 Case

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W - 98.99 (78.99 w/ MIR) Power

HIS H585F1GDG Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB - 314.99 Graphics

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - 104.99

Drive = 31.99

Total = 1080.91 (still needs motherboard)

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Here is an i7 build next to an AMD build. How do they look? Still need to pick an i7 motherboard, but the prices don't seem all that much different. Would the i7 perform significantly better?

Let me know how the builds look and where I can save some cash considering they may not be OC'd (still have to ask I guess.) Also could throw up an i5 build if anyone thinks that's a better option.
 

psionic98

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imo.. i still suggest not going the 58xx unless you really need it.. even the newest games will play on 57xx series which are significantly cheaper right now and get better mobos or ram etc..

also, unless you dont want to oc.. the amd higher clocks should be your choice.. the i7 is lower clocked but can oc way above the amd
 
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Antec Nine Hundred - 89.99 Case

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB - 79.99 HD

GIGABYTE GA-MA790GPT-UD3H AM3 AMD 790GX - 114.99 (99.99 w/ MIR) MB

XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB - 179.99 Graphics

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W - 98.99 (79.99 w/ MIR) Power

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - 95.99 RAM

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz - 175.99 CPU

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - 104.99

Drive = 31.99

Total = 972.91

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Alright. Here's the AMD with a 5770. How's that look? So will the AMD perform better in games at stock than an i7 / i5? Should I be getting a lower speed RAM if he's not going to OC? Anyone able to give some input on the component choices and recommend a motherboard for the i7 build? I'd still like to get some input on the individual parts in each build (motherboard quality, ram, etc.) Forget for a minute that an i7 or 58xx is overkill since my cousin can just pick how much he wants to spend.
 

Aynjell

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I'd reccomend scrapping the i7 and going i5 or Phenom II. I7 isn't worth the bucks unless you're jumping to like 4Ghz on it. Also, on the hard drive, 640 black of 1tb black. both have better platter density and thus will be faster. For the case of the 640, faster, only 110GB less, and will still be cheaper. Personally, I reccomend a Phenom II and 5850 build, but if you're set on i5/i7, go with the 1156 platform. It's cheaper and will probably perform similarly, in fact it's faster than i7 until you go SLI. If you're not overclocking, you're probably not going SLI either.

This rule applies to setups with dual core cards (5890 for example, would be better on i5, dual 5870's would be better on i7). Hope this helps.
 
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I'd reccomend scrapping the i7 and going i5 or Phenom II. I7 isn't worth the bucks unless you're jumping to like 4Ghz on it. Also, on the hard drive, 640 black of 1tb black. both have better platter density and thus will be faster. For the case of the 640, faster, only 110GB less, and will still be cheaper. Personally, I reccomend a Phenom II and 5850 build, but if you're set on i5/i7, go with the 1156 platform. It's cheaper and will probably perform similarly, in fact it's faster than i7 until you go SLI. If you're not overclocking, you're probably not going SLI either.

This rule applies to setups with dual core cards (5890 for example, would be better on i5, dual 5870's would be better on i7). Hope this helps.

640gb was sold out at the egg. That's why i threw the other hd in there. Thanks for info then. Maybe I'll go with the 1tb or look for the 640 elsewhere.

Any comments on motherboard / RAM choices? How about help with an i5 build? Thanks all who have responded so far.
 
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Aynjell

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640gb was sold out at the egg. That's why i threw the other hd in there. Thanks for info then. Maybe I'll go with the 1tb or look for the 640 elsewhere.

Any comments on motherboard / RAM choices? How about help with an i5 build? Thanks all who have responded so far.

If the i5 is cheaper at microcenter than the i7 920, it's a good choice. If not, stick with the 920.
 

Aynjell

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i5 750 is 149.99 at microcenter currently.

Consider this, then:

Can you get 8GB of RAM for only a small bit more than 6GB? And can you live without VT-D, and hyper threading? I myself found no use in hyper-threading, as it's usually just a poor bandaid for poor multi-tasking operating systems. It does help, but when you got a fast enough quad core you're already going to be doing so well... vt-d is only useful with cutting edge virtual machines.

So, those two things. Are they worth 50$ to you?

Consider also, that an 870 has both features, and is still faster in a single card configuration than an i7 920, and what is more, is clocked higher to boot.

The only other reccomendation I can make is buy a board with a LOTES socket. We do not yet know if the foxconn branded sockets are only experiencing issues with high voltages, or if they'll experience issues after prolongued use, all we know is LOTES sockets are burning up less, thus making them a superior part, and at a place we know is a weak spot in the 1156 design.

A good example of a a board is the one I have: the DFI T3EH9, also, the Gigabyte P55 boards with the USB 3.0 and Sata 6GBPS, have lotes sockets or at least are 2 places you can count on them being.

Even in SLI though, the performance gain isn't much (going to i7), unless you're using very VERY powerful cards, like maybe 5890's in crossfire. This is a lot of information to consider though. How much is the budget, is lowering the cost worthwhile? If not, forget I even brought it up... however if it is, i5 is worth considering, and if so, you have to determine if the features you'll lose for that 50$ (plus whatever a board might cost you) are valuable or not.