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baqai

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Okay please tolerate me here :(

past 2-3 days have been hell for me making up my mind, i decided to upgrade my gpu and obviously i wanted to go for the moon (radeon 9800 xt) i soon realised that its not possibility and i started looking for Radeon 9800 Pro, while i was reading the forums i notced lot of people are going for Radeon 9600 XT and it got my attention .. while i was reading those Radeon 9600 XT threads i found out many people are suggesting to go for Radeon 9700 pro .. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!

:( :( :(

now i am stuck in this dilema .. Radeon 9600 XT, Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb, Radeon 9700 Pro (upgrading from Geforce 4ti4200 128mb VIVO) i can afford r9800 pro but on the other hand i can use that saved money on increasing my laptop's memory or use the money to get something else .. i am looking forward to keeping this card for say next year or so ... i am casual gamer and play games at res of 1024x768, i how ever do play all type of games including flight sims

right now the card which is in my eyes is Asus 9600 XT/TVD it comes with a nice package and have VIVO .. any comments on that?

as you might have guessed that i am way beyond stage of confusion here LOL

please help me out here you are free to yell and scream but please make up my mind (oh one good thing .. i am going ATI this time no nvidia for me)
 

Pntgrd

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Here are my thouhts because I went through the same thing awhile back. I was comparing at first the 5700 Nvidia to the 9700Pro and the 9600XT. All have around the same performance and all cost around the same. When I decided on ATI, what I read was most people try to get to 9800Pro speeds with o/c and soft-mods. Thats when I started looking at the 9800Pro. If you look around you can find one for only a little more. I would also look for the retail version as they will almost always have the Samsung 2.8ns memory. That's what I di and have not regretted it. Well, except for my adventures with Postal2, but I think I have that cured by a re-format ;)
 

Hurk

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Do not get the 9600XT. It is slower than a 9700 non-pro and about on par with a 9500 Pro.

That being said, from the top down, get what you can afford.

9800XT 256
9800 Pro
9700 Pro / 9800 non-pro (Both at stock are about the same speed, the 9800 non-pro overclocks better I've heard)
9700 non-pro
9500 Pro / 9600XT (The main reason to get XT is HL2 Voucher)

Anything less than those, your Ti4200 would beat.
 

tom10167

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Skip all of that 9600 crap, if you can get a 9500pro, get it, they're a good bang/buck card right now. Otherwise, a 9700np or 9700pro, unless you can afford a 9800pro. If you compare benchmarks, the 9700pro and 9800pro are very close, so if you find a good deal on a 9800, get it, otherwise, it's not worth $60 for the few extra FPS and newer version of Smartshade(I think this is it.)
 

micamica1217

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what ever you do, skip the 9600(pro, XT) cards....

you may be just a casual gamer, yet many of the new games are realy hard on even the best of graphic cards.
low frame rate, is what I'm finding with many of todays games.
halo, deus exbox, X2, and KOTOR, are just a few of the latest games....mostly due to bump (or true) maping.
lock on is the latest flight sim that realy pushes the eye candy.
playing with my 9700pro, I get about 30fps with only a few things turned down from max settings.
that is untill I spam a few tanks with rockets....then it falls to just under 20fps.:(

anyway, my point is, that with so many games that are like this, get at least a 9800pro...if your into OCing the card, you should get about 9800xt or better speeds.

while my 9700pro should do well in slightly better programed games like HL2 and Doom3, I still may go to OCing my card for better frame rates.

mica
 

ZGOZZ

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Hurk said:
Do not get the 9600XT. It is slower than a 9700 non-pro and about on par with a 9500 Pro.

That being said, from the top down, get what you can afford.

9800XT 256
9800 Pro
9700 Pro / 9800 non-pro (Both at stock are about the same speed, the 9800 non-pro overclocks better I've heard)
9700 non-pro
9500 Pro / 9600XT (The main reason to get XT is HL2 Voucher)

Anything less than those, your Ti4200 would beat.
This is a good chart you might say.

You get for what you pay for.
 

ZGOZZ

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micamica1217 said:
what ever you do, skip the 9600(pro, XT) cards....

you may be just a casual gamer, yet many of the new games are realy hard on even the best of graphic cards.
low frame rate, is what I'm finding with many of todays games.
halo, deus exbox, X2, and KOTOR, are just a few of the latest games....mostly due to bump (or true) maping.
lock on is the latest flight sim that realy pushes the eye candy.
playing with my 9700pro, I get about 30fps with only a few things turned down from max settings.
that is untill I spam a few tanks with rockets....then it falls to just under 20fps.:(

anyway, my point is, that with so many games that are like this, get at least a 9800pro...if your into OCing the card, you should get about 9800xt or better speeds.

while my 9700pro should do well in slightly better programed games like HL2 and Doom3, I still may go to OCing my card for better frame rates.

mica
This is true game are getting more complex .
And the vedio card need to be able to handle the new formats coming out.
Plus games will come out on DVD format all so. Get ready boys girls and little green men.9800XT runs like a raped ape,
 
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baqai

baqai

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i think so i will settle for either R9700 Pro/Non Pro or 9600 XT (Getting HL2 is just too good of temptation for me), that way i can get a new video card, upgrade my laptop's ram from pathetic 128mb AND get a new stereo for my car :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 

micamica1217

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baqai said:
i think so i will settle for either R9700 Pro/Non Pro or 9600 XT (Getting HL2 is just too good of temptation for me), that way i can get a new video card, upgrade my laptop's ram from pathetic 128mb AND get a new stereo for my car :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

there is a big performance differance between the 9600xt and the 9700pro.
although you may get a free HL2, is it realy worth it, with the poorer performance you'll get with the 9600xt???

don't let a free game push you one way or the other....
get a real card if you want to play games.

the 9700pro should be the rock bottom choice if you want to play today or tomorrows games.

and when are you going to get this free game?????????

mica
 

CamH

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Well, even if you get the 9600XT and decide it's too slow, they are supposedly great overclockers. You should be able to push it pretty hard and get some good performance from it.

Plus, since you're getting free HL2, the card is what? $130?
 
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baqai

baqai

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again i am confused *sigh*

Radeon 9600 XT is easily available in my city, Radeon 9700 Pro i will have to ask the computer shop person to order from abroad and he is going to keep his commission for that, i guess i will find out today how much cut he is going to keep for himself and than settle for R9700 if price is good

Asus Radeon XT/TVD 128mb is for around 190$'s if i am not wrong ?? or am i wrong?
 

micamica1217

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what about going online???

ebay, the clasifides here at ocforums, and newegg are places you'll find the 9700pro.....

here is a link for the 9700pro (new) at newegg

finding a 9700pro may not be easy, but it's not hard.
btw, the price at newegg is only $219 with free fedex saver shipping. (about 3 days)

mica

edit: located here in the clasifides....$195.00
 
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baqai

baqai

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problem is shipment .. they normally dont ship to my country and even if they do they ask for so much (50-90$'s last i checked) that the whole deal becomes literally impossible .. lemme try though
 

micamica1217

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baqai said:
problem is shipment .. they normally dont ship to my country and even if they do they ask for so much (50-90$'s last i checked) that the whole deal becomes literally impossible .. lemme try though

oooops....I just realised.
good luck

mica