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nightmare3215

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Right now I have this

-----Shuttle AV49N VIA P4X400 ATX 533/400 FSB Support P4------
------Intel Celeron 2.4ghz---------
-----256mb 2700 kingston ram------
------Maxtor 160GB 8mb cache Hard drive------
------wmp11 wireless networking card------
------Ati Radeon 9000 128mb Graphics card------
------Toshiba DVD-rw SD-R5002------
------Mat****a DVD-rom SR-8585------
------Black case with clear side window on left side (4 drive bays and 2 floppy drive bays)------
------Case fan (blue LED)------
------Quantum fireball 10gb hard drive------

I bought all that for about $600 earlier in the year and am thinking of selling it all together on ebay without the 160gb hard drive and wmp11 networking card for $380-$400.

That should give me $500 total with extra money to work with and I was wondering what I should get to replace this. I really want to stay within budget and need to know what you guys would do at this time of the year.
 

dguy6789

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500 eh?

I suggest:

AMD Athlon XP 1700+ TBRED B, or 2100+ TBRED B, these oc very well.

get an ASUS A7N8X motherboard, the fastest nforce 2 available.

2X256MB of pc3200 ddr.

get a ti4200 gf4.

some cheap case

350 Watt psu or more

get the drives you need and whatnot.


That should give you a killer fast system, with good gaming capability, and for a low cost.

I recomend newegg.com.
 

Foxie3a

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Since your on a budget I would stick with AMD, otherwise I'd go with Intel.

As dguy6789 said, the Asus A7N8x-DX is a very good motherboard, with MANY features, including integrated 5.1 sound and GF4mx. Although the Abit NF7-s is supposed to be better for overclocking, but only if you are going to be hardcore.

A 1700+ with a good stepping would be fine, or a 2500, but thats not worth the extra money.

I recommend ThermalRIGHT for cooling. not thermalTECH.

For video, you'll only want to go ATI..for a low budget the Radeon 8500le is a wonderful card, the 4200 cometes nicely though. but if you want newer get a 9600, or even a 9800...but remember, no SE versions, those are horrible. I recommend a 9600pro.

As for RAM you have many options. I would get PC3200, and maybe get one stick now, and if you like your setup, you can go dual later. but pc2700 should be ok.
 

dguy6789

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i have looked any many benchies, and with same cpu gpu and drivers, no nforce 2 has better performance then the a7n8x series, the abit nf7 can oc more, but at same speed, the a7n8x is faster, and it too can go pretty far.
 

eg1441

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lol what's the point in benching motherboards. I've looked at these benches but no longer bother because:

- They are all done at stock.
- The results are not scalable meaning if a7n8x is 1% faster at stock that means nothing for when it's at 2.3ghz
- The differences are negligable; usually less than 1% which means nothing IMO, and is also within error limitations of the testing procedures
- Speed is mainly dependant on the chipset.


There are way too many choices for motherboards. Most people go for Asus/Abit, less known names include Epox, MSI, and there are loads of others I wouldn't ignore either like Albatron, Aopen....

The problem for you is there aren't many websites that benchmark or test budget systems; they are usually benching the latest and best cpu or gfx card.


But... I would keep that system and just upgrade the graphics card and the processor when you're ready...unless you think you can get a good price for it.
 

attack

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I agree with eg1441 about the motherboards, and I also support the NF7-S.
Here would be my list of parts for 500 bucks (assuming you have optical drives as well as HDD's):
From excaliberpc.com
XP1800 DLT3C stepping
NF7-S
SLK-800
9600pro
360 shipped

from newegg.com
2x256 buffalo PC3700
Pick a case from newegg with a 350watt PSU...there's some pretty nice ones for around 40 shipped, if you go up to 50 shipped the total is
140 shipped


And you'd have one heck of a system, avg OC with that system and heatsink (I didn't include fans....) would be 2.3-2.4ghz
Awesome video card as well.
 

Cornel

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dguy6789 said:
i have looked any many benchies, and with same cpu gpu and drivers, no nforce 2 has better performance then the a7n8x series
Take a look at this one :p
I used to own that Biostar M7NCDP (running, of course, a 2500+ at 3200+). Nothing but good things to say about it. I moved to another one just because I wanted some extra features the M7NCDP doesn't come with (after all you pay 68 bucks for a NForceII ultra 400 chipset)
My point is that the guy is on a budget and he can get pretty much the same results with a board (a lot) cheaper.
 

Noodles

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I have a shuttle AN35N-Ultra that I picked up for $50 after rebates from newegg. Its like $60 now, the rebate period is over. But thats still a steal for a no frills nforce2 board that actually benches pretty well. But don't count on their support, and there bios updates could definately be more frequent. But I usually figure things out on newgroups or my own anyway, so that wasn't to big of a concern for me.

I've heard good things about the biostar model from a few people too, and I believe its even cheaper than the shuttle. I have no experience with them so I couldn't tell you honestly.
 
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nightmare3215

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thanks

From what I've read so far, this is what I plan to get

ASUS A7N8X motherboard

a cheap case w/ 350w psu

Ati Radeon 9600 128mb (or something better, depends on price
difference)

1x 512mb kingston 3200

lighton 4x dvd-+rw for 79.00 (after mail-in rebate from local store :D )

**but I'd like to know how stable everything would be after overclocking it.. so which cpu would achieve better stability/speed; The Athlon XP 1700+ TBRED B, or the 2100+
TBRED B?
 
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nightmare3215

nightmare3215

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ajrettke said:
I agree with eg1441 about the motherboards, and I also support the NF7-S.
Here would be my list of parts for 500 bucks (assuming you have optical drives as well as HDD's):
From excaliberpc.com
XP1800 DLT3C stepping
NF7-S
SLK-800
9600pro
360 shipped

from newegg.com
2x256 buffalo PC3700
Pick a case from newegg with a 350watt PSU...there's some pretty nice ones for around 40 shipped, if you go up to 50 shipped the total is
140 shipped


And you'd have one heck of a system, avg OC with that system and heatsink (I didn't include fans....) would be 2.3-2.4ghz
Awesome video card as well.

This sounds perfect, but would it get better results than the other cpu/motherboard combos mentioned?
 

dguy6789

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The 2100 TBRED B and the 1700 TBRED B both overclock very well. I would recomend the 1700, so you can use that extra few dollers on something like a gpu. Try to get a radeon 9600 Pro, they are much faster then non pro versions.
 

Krowa 02

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autoMATTic said:
i would wait until february when the new P4's come out.

Hes on a budget, Intel is out of the question in this case specially the new p4s.

I think you should get the 1700+ (I dont know if they are still around, but there are 1800+ that overclock just as well if not better) The 1700+ and 1800+ with 1.5 default voltage are the ones to look for, I have one of those 1700's and it did 2.2 with no problems.
 
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nightmare3215

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someone please help

Allright, Im going to have about $550 for this new setup as of january 4th, and maybe more $ will be on the way :D .

Im terrible at shopping over the internet and getting my dollar as far as it will go on my own. So, could someone point out to me the cheapest places for the parts that Im looking for? Also, Ive heard about combos when buying the motherboard with the cpu together for $20-30 cheaper than buying them separately, are there any combos with the 1700 or 1800 dlt3c and the motherboard that Im going to need to overclock it well? If not, can someone give me websites where these parts are the cheapest?? Id greatly appreciate it...

:p :p

btw, I want to get
radeon 9600 128 or 256 pro (depends on price diff)

a good case w/a decent psu (if you'd like, give me links to ones that you'd pick ;) )

512 MB 3200 ram of a good brand name

1700/1800 athlon xp w/dl3tc stepping

The best motherboard to overclock the mentioned cpu.. :)

**one last question, my current system will be blown away by what I want to get above, right?**

thats it, thanks for helping me so far
 

Leviathan41

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newegg.com almost always has the best deals and most everything ships free (or cheap) and fast.

And the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro only comes in 128MB, but thats all you will need.
 
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nightmare3215

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q about 9600 pro

For the radeon 9600 pro, should I buy the connect3d, transcend, powercolor, or the ati aiw(is the 650mhz memory speed vs the 600 mhz worth the extra $50?)?
Also is the powercolor 9800se 128mb with 600mhz better than all of the 9600 series?

Also, How much more would I be spending on a system if I wanted to go with a p4 2.4c w/a nice motherboard?
 

Anaxagoras1986

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I recently built a system for a little less than that price range. It isnt meant to be OC/ed very much so a DLT3C chip would be better as an alternative if you do want to...
-AXP2100 (with a decent cooler)
-512MB (2x 256Mb Kington PC3200)
-WD SPecial Edition 40.0GB
-R9100 (250/500)
-52x24x52 CD burner
-Decent Raidmax Case with a bunch of fans.

I set the FSB to 210Mhz and left everything else stock. It is running at about 1700mhz and it gets about 8.8K in 3D Mark.


I think you could be better off to stay WAY away from the Powercolor cards! Goign with a P4 setup liek that will prob cost you over 100 bucks more. And the system you were showng would anihilate the Celery you were talking about earlier. It would be no comparison! ;)
 
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just in case

Just incase you didnt know, I "don't need" to buy a monitor, speakers, mouse, dvdrom, hard drive, floppy drive, and networking card with the $550 I will save up.

I went to newegg and calculated a p4 2.4 system, is the radeon I picked good?

1)Transcend TS128MVDR96P, RADEON 9600PRO, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, RETAIL
2)Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - OEM
3)Kingston 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2700 - OEM
4)Aspire X-Dreamer II(Black) ATX Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply,With Window Model,Model:ATXB4KLW-BK/350

questions;
1)That came out to $457 w/shipping. Is everything up there compatible w/each other??

2)That would give me about $100 for a motherboard, is that going to be enough though???

3)what motherboard should I get?

4)Is the case/powersupply good enough for the stuff Im gonna put in it?