Intel 3.2 Northwood vs. Intel 3.2 Prescott

[bfmctango57]

I want to upgrade and I'm a little foggy on which one to buy. What are the good and bad points for both pros and cons..... Please be as specific as possible. Heat problems, OC'ing, speed, etc....

I can get the Prescott for $119 + shipping $13.95
Northwood $123 + shipping $13.95

 

[sephiroth_749]

the prescott is a decent ocer and runs very hot and sucks alot of power

the northwood is about the same as the prescott until you get above the 3Ghz range then the prescott takes the upper hand

the northwood is a better ocer than the prescott and runs cooler.

if they around the 3ghz mark go the prescott route. if they are in the 2ghz range go for the northwood.

 

[bfmctango57]

sephiroth_749, what to you mean? "If they around the 3ghz mark go the prescott route. if they are in the 2ghz range go for the northwood."

The CPU's I want are the 3.2ghz not in the 2ghz range. You mean the speed right? Why are you talking about the 2 ghz range if I'm asking about the 3.2ghz? Sorry if I seem a little dee dee dee, I'm just tryin to clarify so I can make sure for my peace of mind.

 

[hUMANbEATbOX]

the northwood is a better ocer than the prescott and runs cooler.

you've got that backwards. the 3.2c will most likely top out around 3.8ghz. most people got around 3.75-3.8ghz outta them.

the prescott on the other hand, will most likely do 4ghz and then some. if your cooling and psu can keep up, 4.2ghz could be doable.

really though, i would not be spending any money on a 478 rig. i would go with a 805 and a asrock Dual-Vsta. the 805 is around $95 and the mobo is around $50. this will give you a dual core, and also a mobo that you can slap a C2D into later on if you wish. the e4300 should be out in january and it will probably be around $120. the mobo mentioned runs DDR1/DDR2, AGP/PCI-E.

 

[sephiroth_749]

you've got that backwards. the 3.2c will most likely top out around 3.8ghz. most people got around 3.75-3.8ghz outta them.

the prescott on the other hand, will most likely do 4ghz and then some. if your cooling and psu can keep up, 4.2ghz could be doable.

really though, i would not be spending any money on a 478 rig. i would go with a 805 and a asrock Dual-Vsta. the 805 is around $95 and the mobo is around $50. this will give you a dual core, and also a mobo that you can slap a C2D into later on if you wish. the e4300 should be out in january and it will probably be around $120. the mobo mentioned runs DDR1/DDR2, AGP/PCI-E.

hes got it right i knew it was something like that but i wasnt sure.

i would go that route.

socket 478 is a dying breed.

 

[bfmctango57]

Will that new mobo support my ram? No eh!?
Kingston 1GB KIT DDR400 PC3200 CL3 (3-3-3) DIMM

What is the 805 you are talking about? Is that the socket or the chipset? Can you please post some links so I can see?

What is C2D?

What is e4300?

What is 805?

 

[JLK03F150]

Yes, that Asrock mobo will use your current DDR ram. You can also upgrade to DDR2 & still use the same board.

805 is an Intel CPU number. It's a dual core P4 2.66 GHz 533 FSB that oc's like mad & it's really cheap. It's socket LGA775 - the same as the new C2D.

C2D is Intel's new cpu design. The Core 2 Duo E6300 runs about 1.8 GHz with a 266 MHz (1066 quad pumped) FSB & can out perform anything out there. There's also the 6400 (2.13GHz), 6600 (2.4GHz), 6700 (2.66GHz), & 6800 (2.93GHz).

I'm not familar with the E4300 either.

 

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Will that new mobo support my ram? No eh!?
Kingston 1GB KIT DDR400 PC3200 CL3 (3-3-3) DIMM

What is the 805 you are talking about? Is that the socket or the chipset? Can you please post some links so I can see?

What is C2D?

What is e4300?

What is 805?

hi, sorry, some things i just take for granted.

the motherboard i talked about (here) will run your ram just fine. it will also run your video card, whatever that is.

the 805 (linky) is an intel CPU. it is basically a dual core prescott that runs at 2.66ghz and has 1mb of l2 cache, no HT. it has a stock fsb of 133. and a multi of 20 (20*133=2660mhz). if you run it at 180fsb, that will give you 3.6ghz, which should not be a problem. some people get more. the 805 is a LGA 775 cpu, not socket 478. meaning its a Land Grid Array cpu, it has no pins, only gold pads. the pins are in the motherboard instead nowadays, instead of on the cpu.

C2D is short for Core 2 Duo, Intel's newest and fastest processors. they replace northwood's, and prescotts, and everything Pentium4. they run at much lower clockspeeds, and get way higher results. they are all dual core, except the Qx6700, and all have a default fsb of 266. the e6300 in my sig has a default speed of only 1.86ghz, but it would smack around a 4ghz prescott. at 3.5ghz, there isn't a P4 on the planet that can run with me day in, day out, 24/7. the current Core 2 Duo's available are the e6300 (1.86ghz, 2mb cache), e6400 (2.13ghz, 2mb cache), e6600 (2.4ghz, 4mb cache), e6700 (2.66ghz, 4mb cache), x6800 (2.93ghz, 4mb cache) and the Qx6700 (quad core, 2.66ghz, 8mb cache total).

the e4300 is a cheap C2D that is due out in january. it will run at 1.8ghz even and will have a stock fsb of 200, which will make it much easier to overclock on cheaper mobos and with cheaper ram. on the mobo i mentioned, it should be able to do 2.6ghz no problem, and that would totally destroy either a northwood or a prescott at even 4.5ghz.

hope this helps some, fire away any more questions you may have.

 

[bfmctango57]

On the newer CPU's even with the lower fsb, they are faster? Do you need to OC them to make them faster or they're faster because of the newer technology?

The figures here "and a multi of 20 (20*133=2660mhz). if you run it at 180fsb, that will give you 3.6ghz" is that with OC'ing?

The ASUS p5b-dlx, is that mobo necessary? Why did you choose that mobo? Why not go with a lesser priced mobo without all of the bells and whistles?

You said this mobo supported my ram, but it only has 2 slots for dual channel. Can the other slots be used as well? I have 2 gigs of ram.

 

[bfmctango57]

Oops!! The above attachment is from this mobo. "ASRock 775Dual-VSTA Socket T (LGA 775) VIA PT880 PRO ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail "

 

[William Hung]

I used...

To run a Northwood 2.8 in an old ASUS P4-800 board, it'd go 3.4 on stock air 24/7. I think the Northwoods were 95W TDP and the prescotts were significantly hotter...at stock speeds. I'm sure they heat up quite a bit once you get up there.

Of course the ASUS was an old 478-pin board and used the 865G chipset.

 

[hUMANbEATbOX]

On the newer CPU's even with the lower fsb, they are faster? Do you need to OC them to make them faster or they're faster because of the newer technology?

no, the lower fsb doesn't make them faster, it makes them easier to OC. what makes a 805 faster is that is has 2 cores, each running at 2.66ghz.

The figures here "and a multi of 20 (20*133=2660mhz). if you run it at 180fsb, that will give you 3.6ghz" is that with OC'ing?

yes, that is with oc'ing. anytime you run something faster than it was intended, you are oc'ing.

back to how it makes it easier to oc. if you start off with a default fsb of 133, you will have a lot more room before you run into limitations of your mobo and ram. example: with a 805, 20*133=2660. 20*200=4000mhz. here, running 200fsb (which is stock speeds for many mobos) you are already at 4ghz. with say a 820, stock speed is 14*200=2800mhz. to get 4ghz on one of these cpu's, you would need to run 14*286=4004mhz. now, maybe your ram can't do the 286mhz needed for this speed (because your fsb speed is tied to your ram speed). with my cpu, its default speed is 7*266=1860mhz. for me to hit 4ghz is almost impossible, i would need 572*7=4004mhz.

The ASUS p5b-dlx, is that mobo necessary? Why did you choose that mobo? Why not go with a lesser priced mobo without all of the bells and whistles?

is it necessary? no. i chose it because it was consistently getting 500fsb, and many people were getting 550fsb out of it. i got it because my cpu has a default multi of 7, so i would need 500fsb to reach my goal of 3.5ghz (500*7=3500mhz). that and i like all the bells and whistles. i really only build a new computer every couple of years (my last one lasted me 3 years, it was a 2.4c running at 3.5ghz). so i could justify spending a bit more on the mobo, because i knew i would have it for a long time, and i wanted a feature set that would fill my needs 2 years from now.

You said this mobo supported my ram, but it only has 2 slots for dual channel. Can the other slots be used as well? I have 2 gigs of ram.

you have a 1gig kit right? (just going by your previous post about the kingston set) so, you've got 2x512mb? so that's perfect. that mobo has 2 slots for DDR1, and 2 slots for DDR2. you just use the 2 slots for DDR1, and voila, you've got dual channel. if you ever wanted to upgrade to DDR2, then you remove the DDR1, and use the other 2 slots for your new DDR2.

if you really do have 2gigs, like 4x512mb, i would say, try and sell it now while you can, and still get some money for it. then go and buy a 2x1024mb set of DDR2. if you end up going this route, maybe my suggestions would change, but it would end up costing quite a bit more than the amounts you had in your very first post. there are advantages to spending more on the setup, but they are hardly required.

 

[3line]

If you want to keep your motherboard and RAM, go dothan. Buy a CT-479 adapter and ebay a Pentium M 740, and you can overhaul your system for 130 bucks or less. Give it the standard overclock, and it will completely own a prescott running at 4ghz. You have an Asus motherboard; this is the best possible cpu upgrade you can get. I don't know why people keep forgetting about this special feature of the Asus 478 boards.

You'd basically get a ton more performance for the same price you're proposing.

 

[hUMANbEATbOX]

I don't know why people keep forgetting about this special feature of the Asus 478 boards.

oh i haven't forgotten, its just the OP never posted his current specs.

 

[3line]

Also, if you do decide to go with the 805 and the new motherboard, DO NOT JUMP IN BLINDLY. You will have to overclock it significantly to see significant performance increase over your old rig, and here are some power consumption figures of an overclocked 805. If you have an older power supply, you'd likely have to put down another 100 bucks or so for a new one.

 

[3line]

oh i haven't forgotten, its just the OP never posted his current specs.

Yeah, he posted it in his other thread. We should advise him that it's etiquette to put his rig in his sig so we can better answer his questions

 

[warlock110]

why would u go with the 805? that's like a crapload of heat... i was scare of that chip.... i say go with the lowest C2D series the E6300... it's about 150 for the CPU + a cheap board last time i see... or the 6400 is 200...

 

[hUMANbEATbOX]

Also, if you do decide to go with the 805 and the new motherboard, DO NOT JUMP IN BLINDLY. You will have to overclock it significantly to see significant performance increase over your old rig, and here are some power consumption figures of an overclocked 805. If you have an older power supply, you'd likely have to put down another 100 bucks or so for a new one.

your images aren't showing up unless i first quote you, then copy and paste the link from the quote into a new tab. once its in my cache, then it shows in the original post.

 

[3line]

^Thanks for letting me know. That's some bizarre behavior. But yeah, a fully loaded 805 system at 4.1ghz will chew nearly 500W of juice. Scary stuff, really. Let me upload these into my photobucket....done

 

[hUMANbEATbOX]

why would u go with the 805? that's like a crapload of heat... i was scare of that chip.... i say go with the lowest C2D series the E6300... it's about 150 for the CPU + a cheap board last time i see... or the 6400 is 200...

he was originally talking about spending ~$130 on a 478 upgrade. a e6300 is $180, plus a mobo...puts him $100 more than he originally was talking about. (and a $50 mobo will NOT cut it if you intend on overclocking a e6300 to any significant degree...so you are looking at a $110 mobo, and then you need new ram....and then you need a new video card..)

i was merely suggesting a 805 to tide him over until the e4300 is released, which will be a true budget chip, and will OC much better on the cheap $50 asrock board.. sure, at 4ghz+ a 805 will consume a ton of power, but at a more reasonable 3.6ghz, it won't be THAT bad.