Intel or AMD ?!? Help PLZ!

[micamica1217]

Besides, for $314, just over the price of an Intel 2.66, you could buy 2 MP 2000+ chips and have a 3.34 ghz AMD dual cpu system, which would totally beat the **** out of any Intel chip for the price of an Intel 2.66.

Have you considered a dual system, Slappi?

untill you OC that 2.66 to 3.0-3.2ghz, then the intel system will beat the dual 2000+ at almost everything incuding all video games.

mica

 

[Goo Kenson]

Alright guyz PLEASE no AMD / Intel war... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

Goo Kenson, if you have a way you want to spend his 800 bucks do it the same way we did, by listing parts/prices and the advantages of those parts.

A dual AMD rig would be smoother & do some things better but would not be better for gaming.

Well no one has really mentioned much AMD. The first post says "I like AMD and Intel" and then says nothing about AMD but starts planning out an Intel system for the guy.

I think if he hasn't yet made up his mind about which chip to buy, he must not know much about comps. He probably wouldn't know that AMD of x mhz gives MUCH higher performance than Intel same amount of mhz. He might just think that AMD makes low price bargain chips and you get what you pay for, but they deliver performance WAY beyond their price and mhz. He needs to know this to make a good decision.


Also, talk to Funky to find out more about dual AMD rigs, Slappi.

 

[Goo Kenson]

untill you OC that 2.66 to 3.0-3.2ghz, then the intel system will beat the dual 2000+ at almost everything incuding all video games.

mica

Have you done a test for this? And the AMD system can be overclocked as well.

 

[micamica1217]

Have you done a test for this? And the AMD system can be overclocked as well.

not to go tit for tat with you, but have you done a test.

this man is a gamer, dvd burner, and ripper.....when will the seconed CPU be used?

mica

 

[micamica1217]

Well no one has really mentioned much AMD. The first post says "I like AMD and Intel" and then says nothing about AMD but starts planning out an Intel system for the guy.

I think if he hasn't yet made up his mind about which chip to buy, he must not know much about comps. He probably wouldn't know that AMD of x mhz gives MUCH higher performance than Intel same amount of mhz. He might just think that AMD makes low price bargain chips and you get what you pay for, but they deliver performance WAY beyond their price and mhz. He needs to know this to make a good decision.


Also, talk to Funky to find out more about dual AMD rigs, Slappi.

sorry I missed this reply.....

no one here spoke about amd because this is a intel forum and he also put this post on the amd foum as well.....

if you really want me to talk AMD just ask....I'll give it to you real straight with no BS.

I wanted to give a quick reply with out dog'n the amd chips at all.

pound for pound the and chip will do as good if not a little better then the same rated intel chip at stock.....

but once you start to OC....it's a hole other story.....

intel chips now start to cream amd, and it is so much easyer to OC as well.

if you would like to give him some advice on amd then head on over to the amd cpu forum and help the man.

mica

 

[Burning Phoenix]

A 2600 would own a 2.66 performance wise.

Besides, he could build a dual AMD cpu system that could stomp those Intel chips.

If only that dream would come true! Don't look at these links for you'll be disappointed as for what you stated.
According to THG:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020826/index.html

Or to Anandtech.com:
.http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1690&p=3

This one at HardOCP may not show the 2.66 but you can see the 2 lower Intel chips are on par with 2600XP:
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQ4

 

[Slappi]

Thanks for all the relpys guys .... what would a dual cpu rig help out in ... would it help out in games?

 

[quegyboe]

this is a bad choice for a mobo....

That's not a bad choice. The reason I chose that board is because of the 100 QDR / 200 DDR FSB option. You can run a true 400 Mhz FSB with that board, without using old school RDRam.

 

[markodude]

Wow that board (p4s533) has a 1:2 Memory divider to allow DDR400 on a 100(400)FSB processor? Is this what you are saying? I have a 2.50C1 processor that is in desperate need of more memory bandwidth - should I try this board or wait for Springdale P next year?
Is springdale the same thing as GB? I know springdale P will have DC DDR but I heard GB may be put on hold as its too expensive for the desktop market - about 50% more than current Intel boards....?

 

[micamica1217]

Thanks for all the relpys guys .... what would a dual cpu rig help out in ... would it help out in games?

games...no, only one cpu would be utilized.

infact everything you listed would use only one of the cpus...maybe I'm wrong about photoshop....yet I am a heavy photoshop user myself, and I dont see a performance increase with a dual system at a friend's house.

do you do any kind of graphic animation???
it should help here.

mica

 

[micamica1217]

That's not a bad choice. The reason I chose that board is because of the 100 QDR / 200 DDR FSB option. You can run a true 400 Mhz FSB with that board, without using old school RDRam.

again I beg to differ with you on this mobo.

why would you hold your OC back do to your other parts like pci cards and HD. with no pci lock your asking for a limited OC.

also you are asking for a limited bandwith problem when your choice is a 100fsb cpu like the 2.4a.....maybe you can hit 133fsb with this cpu.....then using the 3/4 mem divider you will have 177mhz speed ram. you need to run your mem at 200mhz speed to reach 3.2 GB/s or pc800.....(why the xms3200) why not try to go to 4.2 GB/s or pc1066?????

and with no pci lock, how are you going past 133fsb or a little below it ??????

also, what do you realy think you can do with this 100fsb CPU???

do you realy think you can hit 160fsb?????

and what happens if you can't hit 133fsb with this cpu???
I'll tell you, you'll have to back it down to 110fsb or so because your pci cards and HD is holding you back. can you tell me how your going to get the 3.2 GB/s now?

try a 2.4b instead...and the p4b533 or p4pe.
you will be happy you did.

mica

 

[specific]

do you guys ever do your own benchmarking?

I went head to head against my buddy's p4 2.53 on 512MB 1066rambus.
I was packing the 1800 on 256ddr 2100.
the test? 1:07min movie ecoding to vcd mpeg1.

results....
p4 time was 1hr 3min.
amd time was 1hr 17min.

giving up 1 GHz, at half the ram and on the 266A chipset nonetheless.............

this was done with no overclocking, might i add.

draw your own conclusions, but i was about to go intel until i did this test.

Slappi, since you are waiting until feb 2003, the game could change by then. who knows what the future holds?

 

[quegyboe]

again I beg to differ with you on this mobo.

why would you hold your OC back do to your other parts like pci cards and HD. with no pci lock your asking for a limited OC.

also you are asking for a limited bandwith problem when your choice is a 100fsb cpu like the 2.4a.....maybe you can hit 133fsb with this cpu.....then using the 3/4 mem divider you will have 177mhz speed ram. you need to run your mem at 200mhz speed to reach 3.2 GB/s or pc800.....(why the xms3200) why not try to go to 4.2 GB/s or pc1066?????

and with no pci lock, how are you going past 133fsb or a little below it ??????

also, what do you realy think you can do with this 100fsb CPU???

do you realy think you can hit 160fsb?????

and what happens if you can't hit 133fsb with this cpu???
I'll tell you, you'll have to back it down to 110fsb or so because your pci cards and HD is holding you back. can you tell me how your going to get the 3.2 GB/s now?

try a 2.4b instead...and the p4b533 or p4pe.
you will be happy you did.

mica

The reason I don't want to go with RDRam is because it's like going down a dead end road. RDram is no longer being supported by Intel, which means that it would be like buying a P3 right now, no point. With my idea, you can use the full potential of the 400 Mhz FSB, and still use your XMS PC3200 later on in a Dual Channel DDR setup. And sure, the 533 FSb setup would be nice aswell, but as far as I know there isn't a chipset out there that has a divider allowing 266 Mhz DDR memory clocks and we all know that running a 533 FSB with slower memory gives just about no improvement in speed, so this seemed like the best idea as of now.

 

[quegyboe]

Wow that board (p4s533) has a 1:2 Memory divider to allow DDR400 on a 100(400)FSB processor? Is this what you are saying? I have a 2.50C1 processor that is in desperate need of more memory bandwidth - should I try this board or wait for Springdale P next year?
Is springdale the same thing as GB? I know springdale P will have DC DDR but I heard GB may be put on hold as its too expensive for the desktop market - about 50% more than current Intel boards....?

Yes, the Asus P4S533 has a jumper to enable 100 QDR / 200 DDR which gives you a true 400Mhz FSB. If you look in Sandra's Memory Benchmark, you can see a comparison with the "SiS 645DX PC3200 CL2.5". That is what you would get with the setup I am proposing...

 

[micamica1217]

this was done with no overclocking, might i add

this was my point in one of my last replys.

I too think amd is nice, yet once you start to OC things change...
now you lower the multi and so on.

also, this is one test. and a good one I might add.

yet only one test does not make me look truly at the hole picture.

look at the last page...you will see many game and system tests.

the facts speak for themselfs.

also my sister just got herself a fine amd rig...yet she will mostly do some surfing and burning.
if she was into gaming then I would build her a new P4 rig with out a dought.

mica

 

[micamica1217]

Yes, the Asus P4S533 has a jumper to enable 100 QDR / 200 DDR which gives you a true 400Mhz FSB. If you look in Sandra's Memory Benchmark, you can see a comparison with the "SiS 645DX PC3200 CL2.5". That is what you would get with the setup I am proposing...

you would need a true 1/2 memory devider to do this.

and I don't think you realise that this mobo doesn't have it or does it???

mica

btw....reread what I've said about the other mobos and look at what peeps are doing with them.

 

[specific]

just how much do you think oc'ing helps?

i gave up a GHz already. the performance difference was minimal. plus, this test directly applies to his needs, as he will need to transcode when his dvd movie is longer than 120min.

yeah, yeah, the 1.8a can reach 3+, if you have great oc'ing gear, if you are lucky.

sorry, but intel just seems like a waste of money to me. keep in mind that i would gladly buy an intel system if they were actually better. as far as i can see, the only reason to go intel is if you had some kind of hardware dependency, such as the protools line of audio hardware, or a similar intel/chipset dependent compatibility issue.

i've owned them both. (typing on a p41.8 on 256 800rambus now) consequently, this thing can't hold a candle to my 1800 rig.

 

[specific]

look at it this way.......

we have two athletes.

athlete "A" can bench press 3 times his own weight.
athlete "B" can bench press only twice his weight.

HOWEVER, B can run faster, at greater distances, and has better hand eye coordination.

who's the better athlete?

 

[Burning Phoenix]

look at it this way.......

we have two athletes.

athlete "A" can bench press 3 times his own weight.
athlete "B" can bench press only twice his weight.

HOWEVER, B can run faster, at greater distances, and has better hand eye coordination.

who's the better athlete?

Answer would be B (INTEL)
Better at gaming, archiving , compression using Flask and more stable. The other A is better at SYNTHETIC benching such as SiSoftSandra.

LOL!

 

[micamica1217]

just how much do you think oc'ing helps?

alot....and remember that this is n OCing forum....so who would not want to OC there cpu???

again, once you start to OC the amd chip it now starts to lose most of it's benifits of running at stock speed.

(lowering the multi by two or three just to get the faster FSB.)

there are other things too, but I would like to keep this short.

BP also has some good reasons.

mica