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IS Diamond the best Heat Conductor
Just curious
Because Silver is
Just curious
Because Silver is
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rizge said:Just curious
Because Silver is
Originally posted by ATC9001
I was all hardcore into this once...materials that have hgih thermal conductivity. Anyway here's a quick scientific rank order of thermal conductivity (this might be w/mc or something similar I can't remember)
diamond 2000 w/mk
silver 418 w/mk
copper 400 w/mk
aluminum 200-220 w/mk
who cares...but gold is below here, don't confuse electrical conductivity with thermal.
Ok so obviously you can't go and steal the hope diamond and say you just want to make a waterblock. Next best thing is synthetic diamond which can get to 1900+ w/mk. So I go talk to a friend of mine who is a grad student in chemistry with my grand idea, thinking I can make a mold easily I got CAD skills, and if your produced like 5 it wouldn't cost too much...wrong. It costs way way too much money to get synthetic diamond close enough to real diamond, it's dimishing returns too so it may cost 1000 for a 400 w/mk block but would cost 2000 for 500 w/mk etc...the process become insanely expensive.
So that's the scoop on materials....
It's hard to compare heatsinks based on just the metal, because if you made 2 heatsinks identicly outa copper and aluminum, the aluminum may actualy perform better (you'd probably have to try hard to get this but it can be done). It also has to do with the design. The heat spreads differently depending 99% on design and 1% on thermal conductivity. But that 1% (made up figure this is just to show that design is critical) is really important also. I don't know who came up with those percentages of 10-40%...(forgive me if I sound rude, but you can't go around stating that crap with nothing...probably not even a formulated theory in your head) But if you could show me 1 calculation/comparison/scientific principle you used to get that i would truly be impressed. You get small gains going from 200 w/mk to 400 w/mk, you think your gonna get much more going to 418 w/mk....10-40% more still? doubtful. the relation is not linear so don't try to speculate either. I would imagine gains would be so small that when you came to test them, the slightest difference of how you applied thermal paste would negate the results. This is because of dimishing returns and the already small performance increase of copper of al.
silver waterblocks could be done, probably cost around 100 bucks....and you can't just take the best designed copper block...because it'll perform differently due to thermal transfer speeds, although I would take the best copper design over spending the cash to make multiple silver blocks to make a good design. reason for this is flow is a major factor...same thing with heatisnks, fan speed is critical.
Sonny said:As I remember it Gold is one of the best heat reflectors that's why the McLaren F1 road car's engine bay is lined with it.
EBFoxbat said:The trick is to get the heat of the die. The suggestion of spreading the heat out laterally is good because it adds surface area. A thin sheet of synthetic diamond (say 3 mm thick) would spread the heat out laterally. If this sheet od synthetic diamond were the base to a water block, the water could carry the heat off the diamond. This is probably the second best solution aside from making a waterblock that uses the die itself as the bottom. Synthetic diamonds are not hard or expensive to make. A 5.5cm x 5.5cm x 0.5cm thick sheet of synthetic diamond would be the best bottom for a water block.
EBFoxbat said:I could be wrong, my assumption is that a compounds ability to move electrons is what gives it it's ability to move heat... so why is it that a heatsink with an electric current can't move heat faster, its electrons are already moving....and yes, i fully realize the implications of running electricity through a heatsink, i'm just speaking from a thermodynamic stand point....can anyone with more thermodynamic knowledge shead some light?