Is LGA775 still relivent?

[radi4fun]

Hello,

I was given a super duper tight budget of $350 to build a light gaming rig. : even looking into classifieds this is nearly impossible to put together a decent used machine with case and all.

So..... I was thinking.. I have some very ancient parts sitting in my closet collecting dust... I found old and dusty GA-EP45T-UD3P with a lapped CUP... I think it's an E8600 that I had lapped but can't verify it anymore as I no longer have a PSU or proper HDD to test it. It has some writing on one of the sides (N391106 and 2/1663) got no clue what that means. Maybe someone here that can decipher those intel codes? It also has 4X1GB Crucial DDR3 so I was thinking if I just donating my old hardware and focus on buying a decent GPU/PSU/SSD and possibly update to 8GB of Ram if there was some money left over? I have an old case that I can just give it to him along with the motherboard/CPU/RAM.

I was browsing around and found ASUS GTX 770 Direct CUII for around $100. Then maybe a used PSU for $80-100 , 120GB SSD for $50, CPU cooler for $30 and call it a day? possibly get 8gb RAM that might work with dusty EP45T-UD3P with the left over budget?

Would the E8600 (I'm hoping that's the CPU) be too much bottleneck to play decent games at around 60fps if pared with GTX 770 at maybe 1080P resolution? I think most likely he is going to be using a 40-50in LCD 1080P TV as the monitor.

Or... do you guys suggest I scrap the above idea and just go with something modern for CPU/MO/RAM combo? something low end like G4520 that I can get for around $60 and get one of the cheap ITX motherboards for another ~$60? would that combo be better than old E8600+P45 motherboard?

Thanks for your suggestions.

 

[Janus67]

Overall, I think it depends on what games they want to be playing. If they are going to play minecraft it will be fine. If they are hoping to play anything recent that hits hardware remotely hard (battlefield, COD, titanfall, etc) they are likely going to have a bad time. Many high-end games launch with minimum requirements of a quad core as well.

 

[Evilsizer]

lga775 will lack some of the newer tech ie pcie 3.0/usb 3.0 and a few other things. depending on the game, that isnt cpu dependent it could be the way to go. even Q6600's are pretty cheap on ebay and i buy in the usa to stay local in case of DOA or needing to refund.

on the other hand
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883162081
isnt a bad price to get started but does lack a good gpu/video option... i cant find any decent ones on newegg i would suggest but that one at that price point..

if you want to build i think this is a good starting point
ram https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820225067
board https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157669
cpu https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117748

also here are some options for ssd's.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820242399
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211983
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228174
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107

**EDIT**
not the best case
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156312
then the psu in the post below me

 

[ssjwizard]

$39.99 PSU https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139196
$69 256Gb SSD theres a bunch of them on newegg.
$100 RX460 or GTX1050
Thats a more solid setup than you suggested for a better price.

As for CPU/MB/RAM, what you have is probably an ok start, but you might want to look around for a used QX series chip. Should be able to find one cheap. Or try and pick up a sandy bridge/ivy bridge used combo for a good price is another option.

 

[||Console||]

~ a year or 2 ago I had a e8400 and a 670gtx it played Csgo fine ( its was the only real game I was playing at the time) .

Here is a pretty good look at what you can expect game wise
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-wolfdale-yorkfield-comparison,3487-13.html


if you get them a monitor get a 720p there frames will thank you .

 

[radi4fun]

are these new gen Kaby Lake and Skylake G series Pentium CPU's that much better than top of the line old school CPU's? I've been out of desktop world for a few years. Last think I remember building and overclocking was a 2500K for my brother and that was years a go.

I don't mind going the new Pentium CPU route if they are better compared to some $15 Q6600 off flebay. The only reason why I was looking at used GTX 770 around $100 range was because it was tiny bit faster than the GTX 1050. But now I see that 1050 sure has lower power consumption and doesn't need a beefy PSU so I can save some money on getting a cheaper unit that could potentially go towards newer chipset/RAM and I can continue to keep my EP45T for memories and let it collect more dust lol.

 

[Evilsizer]

the new ones even first gen i's are much a bigger leap over lga775. due to alot of changes made on the cpu lvl, kinda why i suggested the refurb dell.. if you wanted to get more money you could see what the lga775 mobo is going for. i know some X58 motherboards for first gen i's are going for $200+ bin in working order. i spent $250 on Asus RIIG+3x2gb ram+intel 920 D0 setup from up north in CA. it really depends on how long they will keep the rig, even part time gaming i would be more inclined to go with the dell if you can build a 2.9-3ghz current or last gen i series in your budget. just imo

 

[JLK03F150]

I agree with Evil's 'the other hand' suggestion. Here's a refurb 3rd gen i5 HP with Win 10 Pro & a GTX 1050. It's over budget, but not too far over. Windows 10 Pro is usually $140 ($99 on sale), so IMO these refurbs that include Windows are a good deal.
HP Desktop 8300 - $263 (Sale ended $279 now)
GTX 1050 - $114

 

[Vishera]

Intel G4560: $71

Asus B150 M.2 board: $45

8GB RAM: $56

Zotac GTX 1050: $110

Rosewill Galaxy 02 case: $30

EVGA 430W 80+ PSU: $34

Used hard drive: Can probably find a used 1TB HDD for $25-$30


This will be $371-$376 depending on price of your HDD
This assumes he has a Windows installation CD, keyboard, mouse, and a monitor. What you could do is sell your parts of to give him tin for more of a budget if you'd be willing to do that.

 

[radi4fun]

Ok after some talking and thinking, since this is a family friend's son I've decided to modify his budget and increase it from 350 to 500. I'll just add $150 out of my pocket as late b-day present and try and build a desktop around the new budget.

So far I have brand new Antec 900 sitting around that i'll donate to this build along with a copy of Windows 10 64 bit.

This is what I came up with around the current generation of hardware

Option 1:

CPU: Intel G4560: $65 @ Egg
MB: GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H (rev. 1.0) LGA 1151 Intel B250: $70 @ Egg ( I wished I could find some used 200 series and save some cash)
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) - $55 @ Egg
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 250GB- ~$65 - used
GFX: Gigabyte nVidia GTX 1060 6GB: $200 - used
PSU: EVGA 430W 80+ or some other PSU: $40 @ EGG

This would be a little over $500 with taxes and shipping if I get some new stuff from Newegg.

Or go with below options...

some off-lease cycle Dell/ HP desktops from ebay and throw in a 1060 with decent PSU and SSD and change out the ram?
this is what I was look at:

Option 2:
HP Compaq Pro 6300 MT Mini Tower | 3.30GHz Core i3 3220 | 4gb DDR3 | DVD-RW for approx. $100. This leaves me with nearly 400 to spend on GPU/SSD/PSU/RAM upgrade.


Option 3:
Dell Optiplex 790 Desktop | 3.10GHz Core i5-2400 | 4gb DDR3 | DVD-ROM for approx. $110. This also leaves me with nearly 400 to spend on GPU/SSD/PSU/RAM upgrade.


Option 4:
Dell Optiplex 990 | 3.30GHz Core i5-2500 | 4gb DDR3 | DVD-ROM for approx. $110. This also leaves me with nearly 400 to spend on GPU/SSD/PSU/RAM upgrade.

Option 5:
HP Compaq Elite 8300 MT | 3.40Ghz i5-3570 | 8gb DDR3 | DVD-ROM for approx. $120. This leaves me with $380 for GPU/SSD/PSU.

My only concern is most if not all of the above mentioned desktops are all SFF configuration so I'm not sure if they have some proprietary PSU configuration with motherboard that won't allow me to just get a new 400-500W ATX PSU for like $40-50 and hook it up to the motherboard. I'm sure there should be some 24-pin PSU adapter that I might have to use to make it work.

Any other off the shelf desktops models that I should be searching for other than the above ones that are not SFF and I can get them reasonably cheap around $150ish price range and call it a day? All the refurbished ones on Newegg are priced too high to include a GTX 1060 6Gb and stay within budget.

I'm thinking a fresh copy of Windows 10 or even 7 on SSD should eliminate the OEM bloatware stuff.

how are these two old 2nd gen i5 and 3rd gen i3 compared to 7th gen G4560 and new DDR4 combo? Too bad I can't overclock the i3 or i5 it seems like getting these prebuilt desktops with generic motherboards are cheaper than getting old LGA 1155/1156 motherboards and pare them with cheap CPU's. only downside is no OC on these prebuild machines.

If these machines are good, I was thinking of pulling all the parts out of the stock Dell/HP shell and throw them into the Antec 900 so the computer looks "cool" and a bit more aesthetically pleasing to look at.

arggg why so many options I can't decide.

 

[Evilsizer]

save a bit more money by using this mobo and ram, i know on the ram it isnt much difference. from what i can see the ram listed below has lower timings then any gskill i can find at $55.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820225067
this psu has a 20 mir if you want to save more.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
then the motherboard at $55
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157698

if you go the refurb route i would take that HP elite 8300MT over the others, cause of the higher cpu speed alone.

 

[Mjolnir]

If you're really on a budget consider the GTX 1050 Ti/RX 470 instead of the 1060. You're getting the 1060 at a good price, but you're still trying to keep costs down.

If you go one of the refurbs, they usually have half height PCIE slots and no PCIE connectors. The GTX 1050 Ti has a low profile variant that requires not PCIE connectors, so may be your cheapest option and will likely work with the stock power output if you can confirm the card fits. The i5 of that gen is still a solid CPU and will still probably outperform the G4620.

To answer the thread title. No. Not really. . The new Pentiums with hyperthreading kinda throws out any benefit of older gen stuff that's pre 2nd gen i series, and even any i3 machine really. Pentium > i5 > i7. There is no i3 far as I am concerned anymore .

 

[radi4fun]

alright guys, after a week of browsing though ebay listings, I just scored a Lenovo ThinkCentre M73 i5-4570 3.20Gz Win 10 Pro 4GB RAM 500GB HDD OFFICE 2010 @ $156 w/ free shipping. I hope at this price it's a decent deal compared to the cheaper i5 3570's and i5 2500/i7 2600's I was looking at. They were a good ~$30-40ish cheaper.


I was doing some digging and I don't think the stock 280W PSU has any extra 6 pin wires so no gtx1060 for me. Are there any other better GPU's than 1050ti that might play well at 1080p?

my thoughts:
get additional stick of 4Gb DDR3 to make it 8GB total
find a good GPU (gtx 1050ti or gtx 1060 3gb or rx 470???)
cheap ~$60 120GB SSD to make it snappy
transplant all the internals into new mid tower case unless Lenovo is even worse than Dell when it comes to front panel propitiatory connections. In that case, just sand and paint the existing case

 

[Mjolnir]

Nothing stronger than the GTX 1050 Ti which is a great 1080p budget card.

I would not transplant TBH. The PSU may not be a standard layout for an ATX case. You can just try get a 1050 ti low profile which will likely just slot into the machine as is.

That's a good CPU. Just need an SSD, definitely another stick of 4GB of RAM.

TLDR: Stick with the chassis. Get an SSD. Get more RAM. 1050 Ti low profile.

 

[wagex]

you can grab a used hp or dell on ebay with an i5(sandy2400 or ivy3570), 8gb of ram, 500gbish hdd in a mid size tower for less than $150. usually be way better off than 775 just add a low power gpu like a 1050 ot 1050ti and still be under $300 for a pretty decent rig.


edit: wish i had seen thread sooner lol sorry didnt see you last post seems like a solid machine