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larva said:You're crazy to buy anything but Sparkle. Until I see a failure or someone can show me where anyone else's supply offers as much for the money that's what I'll use. The 250, 300, and 350W units carried by newegg run my P4 fine, I 've never had to resort to the 400W model. Regardless of what claims are made for more expensive supplies I've not seen any limitation in these units that makes me see spending more as a necessary or beneficial use of my money.
I've used many hundreds of Sparkle power supplies in recent years. The oldest of the lot are now 4 years plus and still plugging along. At this point no other power supply in their wattage class attains either the 3.3+5V outpur or total max output of a given sparkle, quite a bonus in addition to rock solid reliability. Try one, and you will never contemplate either Antec or PC power and cooling again.
The True Power series of Antecs is a supply of comparable performance, but costs far more. The PC Power and Cooling stuff is so expensive I wouldn't even consider one unless units like the Sparkle didn't get the job done (which they do in marvelous fashion). Save that extra cash for the next (inevitable) cpu/mb/ram/hd/video card upgrade, you know you will need it.
nikhsub1 said:I agree and disagree with larva to some extent. In my main rig with 4 HD's 2CD's, Floppy, AGP, and 5 120mm fans, I run the PCP&C unit. I tried Antec, Enermax, SPARKLE (which is now in a dedicated folder) and none of them were up to the task. Power requirements are different for Pentiums and AMD's. AMD's suck up the juice like nobody's business. Plus I am highly overclocked and the other PSU's 5V just sagged. I also run an Epox board, again known for sucking power. The 350W Sparkle that is in my folder does well, but the voltages are lower than I'd like, the 5V is at 4.9 and the 12V is at 11.91. All I have in there is one HD, CD, Floppy and 4 80mm fans. Now maybe the 400W Sparkle would be better for me but the machine seems stable so no complaints. I would stay away from enermax, high priced junk IMO. In terms of QUALTITY irregardless of cash, the list goes like this:
Antec True Power
For the best bang for the buck the list is somewhat reversed:
If you want a PSU that will run for years without a problem and you want definate solid rails, the PCP&C won't be beat. The only caveat with the PCP&C is the fan, it is LOUD. 48dBA, I swapped mine out for a 36CFM 30dBa Sunon sleeve fan, the best $5 I ever spent. How important is top notch PSU to YOU? That is what you need to ask yourself, once you figure that out, the answers are before you.
And to answer the threads main question,YES.
Thanks for the info. Hmm, is it worth it to me? I think so, just based on people having problems with most psu's after a while. I plan to use this psu for at least the next 5 years, so I guess paying the $200 all at once instead of say, buying an Antec for $105, then buying something for the same price later for a replacement. I also like their warranty. I just hope that 475W won't become an underpowered unit 5 years from now, but hey, that's technology for you
Tmod said:I do not know the exact differences between the units you are referring to.
Tmod said:You are comparing two units from the same manufacturer but the vendors who spec these units could ask for different electronic componets inside the unit
For instance the Power Man series is made by Sparkle also and it has low end specs.
Tmod said:I'm not saying that every power supply that is not PC Power and Cooling is bad, It is just that PC Power and Cooling has a higher and tighter spec than the rest.
Tmod said:I have regular power supplys that came with my cases that haven't let me down yet. But I am not pushing them with several drives and overclocking.
larva said:It is nice that PC P&C stands behind their product with a 5 year warranty. This certainly is beyond what other makers provide on a power supply.
If I was going to buy just one supply I might evaluate things in different terms. But as the supply is only one component of the systems I construct I have to go with the best value in order to allow freedom in the selection of the other components that make up a system.
Not everyone has exactly the same prioriities, but everyone's viewpoint is important for them. I'm glad we are able to disagree without holding each other's viewpoint as invalid.
When I first heard the name "Sparkle", it did not convey the image of the best in my mind. Continued exposure to these supplies has changed that. At this point I wish nothing less nor nothing more for my customers. It is nice when the best supply I can recommend is within a few percent cost wise as the worst, it is a value point that pleases both my liability concerns as well as my customer's pocketbook.
A better example is the supplies fitted to Acer cases. They are FSP units, and carry the Acer name. They have lower 3.3+5V outputs than the sparkle units, and are definately cost engineered down to a lower level of output. For instance a 250W FSP unit in the Acer KF45a is only 150W 3.3+5V, rather than the 175W of the Sparkle FSP-250-60ATVS supply. Fortunately all current FSP supplies carry the 3.3+5V rating, making it easy to spot lesser types