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Lets see if I understand this correctly.

Recieved PSU that did not have an advertised feature, company appologized and offered an RMA. Since return shipping was not covered the company is not sincere and should not be dealt with. Are these the points being made?
 
S_Wilson said:
Lets see if I understand this correctly.

Recieved PSU that did not have an advertised feature, company appologized and offered an RMA. Since return shipping was not covered the company is not sincere and should not be dealt with. Are these the points being made?

Guarantee there is more to this than what was posted, In fact, I will find out on Monday.
 
Look at the link I posted. He reviewed Jab-tech ealier that day. John even responded to him twice(with an edit).

I got the biggest lol of my day, and actually still getting a chuckle over it. Yes I read resellersratings.
Jab-Tech said:
Now uphold your part of the bargain, you have to eat your entire computer peice by peice (yours words not ours).


http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2602.html

Scroll down a bit and the dialog is there. He did not like how it went, so he is going around forums, bashing good vendors.
 
this is the most nit-picky little petty complaint i have ever seen in my life.
so there was a simple mistake, you didnt even know what pfc was 2 weeks ago,
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=441888

you been banned from other forums for your behavior before

http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/members/kilyin.html

i think you need to accept the facts that if the same problems keep happening maybe the problem is you.

Jabtech was honest and quite friendly to you, newegg doesnt pay shipping either, maybe they should be shut down huh?


you failed to mention you used the psu for 2 weeks.

i been dealing with online vendors for a long time, you will be hard pressed to find one that will look out for you the way jab-tech does.

im glad you got banned from their store, you dont deserve the right to shop there.
treat people like you want to be treated, when you wanted help on these forums did they nit pick you about every spelling error you made? but its different when its a store isnt it, they need to adhere to these rules of perfection while people like you can act anyway you want by slandering them in public.
ever think that john is a guy just like you trying to earn a an honest living?
he was honest to you and you came here to crucify him.
 
rhino56, you are totally off base with some of your last post, man. What happened on another forum that's not specifically dealing with this present situation has no business being brought up. And you being glad that he was banned from shopping from Jab Tech has no business here either. You are now attacking him here, which is against this forum's policies.

As far as this present situation that Kilyin has posted about, he has stated his side of the story, but jab tech hasn't posted anything about it here. It would be nice to have jab-tech respond in this thread stating if anything was left out of the correspondence between Kilyin and jab-tech. That would clarify if Kilyin is leaving anything out for all to see here at the OCF.

As far as Jab Tech (the website) is concerned in my case, just reading about this at resellerratings wouldn't turn me off from using them as a vendor. Kilyin posted what he thought his shopping experience was like and Jab Tech responded, and you can tell from reading that review that there was a difference of opinion between them. However, Jab Tech did respond to his rating promptly and to me, that does say a lot about a vendor (like if they actually care about giving quality customer service). I've never bought anything from Jab Tech, but that kind of review wouldn't turn me off from a vendor. I tend to read at least 5-10 pages of ratings on a vendor I've never used before (if they have that many ratings) and look for trends in the "dissatisfied" or the "neither satisifed or dissatisfied categories", as well as reading the "satisfied" ratings. From what I've seen in their ratings reviews and also read here at the forums, Jab Tech is a vendor I can trust and should be included in my online vendor links.

And the link to the PFC article rocks; now I actually know what active PFC does. :D It does nothing for us overclocking fools. :D
 
muddocktor said:
As far as this present situation that Kilyin has posted about, he has stated his side of the story, but jab tech hasn't posted anything about it here. It would be nice to have jab-tech respond in this thread stating if anything was left out of the correspondence between Kilyin and jab-tech. That would clarify if Kilyin is leaving anything out for all to see here at the OCF.

That's what this sub-forum is about. Vendor discussion. Of course we can't expect Jab-tech or any vendor to reply on a daily basis if their operation is busy but it is nice. They have the chance to defend their business decision.

With that said, I've ordered from them with their lower prices and with no problem. I would order from them again.
 
rhino56 said:
this is the most nit-picky little petty complaint i have ever seen in my life.
so there was a simple mistake, you didnt even know what pfc was 2 weeks ago,
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=441888

That thread was made the same day that I emailed jab-tech about the Power Supply. Not 2 weeks ago. You're right, I didn't know exactly what it was, but the Power Supply I ordered said that it had it. I made that thread to help me decide if I wanted to RMA the PSU.

rhino56 said:
you been banned from other forums for your behavior before
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/members/kilyin.html

You didn't mention that was two years ago. I'm glad that Google makes you feel like some sort of internet detective. I had a legitimate problem with an Epox motherboard at the time and made the mistake of thinking I might get some help on that forum. There were other people having the same problem with the same motherboard who also got banned. You failed to mention that though, I guess it didn't fit into your agenda of trying to insult me.

What's your point?

You said I have been banned from other forum(s). That's one forum. You don't use plural unless there's more than one. Just a little FYI.

rhino56 said:
i think you need to accept the facts that if the same problems keep happening maybe the problem is you.

:rolleyes:

Right, it's my fault that I didn't get a feature listed in the description of an item I ordered.

rhino56 said:
you failed to mention you used the psu for 2 weeks.

Uh, that's because I didn't. I used the PSU for less than 48 hours before I emailed jab-tech about it.

rhino56 said:
i been dealing with online vendors for a long time, you will be hard pressed to find one that will look out for you the way jab-tech does.

So have I, and I've never had a problem like this with a vendor. I'm sure I'll be hard pressed to find another e-tailer that includes features in an item description that the item doesn't have, but I sure will try. Thanks for your advice, chief.

rhino56 said:
im glad you got banned from their store, you dont deserve the right to shop there.

Yeah, it's great business practice to mislead customers and then ban them from your website when they try to return the item that was falsely advertised. You sure do know what you're talking about.

rhino56 said:
treat people like you want to be treated, when you wanted help on these forums did they nit pick you about every spelling error you made?

No idea what you're talking about. What spelling error did I make? I'm pretty meticulous when it comes to grammar. I treat everyone with respect as long as they do the same. Show me one instance where I was rude to jab-tech. You can't.

rhino56 said:
but its different when its a store isnt it, they need to adhere to these rules of perfection while people like you can act anyway you want by slandering them in public.
ever think that john is a guy just like you trying to earn a an honest living?
he was honest to you and you came here to crucify him.

When a store advertises something, then they should deliver it. Simple as that. John knew that he made a mistake, so why should I pay for his error? If I had made the mistake not based on content listed on the jab-tech website, and I wanted to return an item, then I'd gladly pay all the included fees involved. In fact, I had to RMA an item to jab-tech about a year and a half ago. I don't even remember what it was, but I paid for the shipping and expected to. The difference this time is false advertisement took place so I thought that I was entitled to a refund without having to pay more money for a mistake that wasn't my fault. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

I didn't crucify anyone, I just told the truth about my experience with this vendor. I thought that's what this forum was for.
 
Enablingwolf said:
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2602.html

Scroll down a bit and the dialog is there. He did not like how it went, so he is going around forums, bashing good vendors.

I'm going around to forums bashing good vendors? The bit about eating my computer piece by piece was in the pasted emails I included in the first message. You didn't have to go looking for it.

I like how some of you guys just make stuff up. The truth is that I gave him a bad review on resellerratings.com. Whether or not you think that it was justified doesn't really matter to me.

I also filed a complaint with the BBB (not that they ever do anything).

This is the only thread I made about the experience. You make it sound like I've browsed around to every computer related forum I can find and posted lies about the good and saintly company known as jab-tech. All I've done is post the truth. Sometimes the truth ain't pretty.
 
I was pointing out that he did respond to your comment included in the mail you presented. thats all. You did the right thing posting your experiance on resellersrating. That is a good thing.

The thing I am trying to convey is that you after getting a reply, came back here and posted up even more negative reviews. That is your right as a member here as I see it. Now when someone posts agianst what you think it right, you post more negative responces. You post negative, you might get negative in return. There has been some that have sided with you. In some elements I agree with your side. I assume that is a given since in some ways you are correct. How you handled it I do not agree with. I try and keep humor even in the worst of times. It lightens things up. I think most would see John posting up about eating your parts as kind of funny.

One thing about resellersrating.com. If you post a review, there is no reply for other humans. Just you and the vendor. Here in this section you get replies to your comments and critiques.

I ask that for me to accept your input on the vendor, you accept mine. Even if it does not side with your point.
 
Dude, you are acting like a little kid here. They guy said they ware sorry, I don't know many companies that would pay for RMA shipping even with DOA products.
 
I gladly accept your input and anyone elses. I don't have a problem with it.

I also mentioned in the first post in this thread that at least the person I talked with through email had a sense of humor. I even included a (Touche', he got me here) under the email about eating my computer. ;)

EnablingWolf said:
The thing I am tryign to convey is that you after gettign a reply came back here and posted up even more negative reviews. That is your right as a member here as Isee it. Nwo when someone posts agianst what you think it right, you post more negative responces. You post negative, you might get negative in return.

I'm a little confused by this part. I have replied to some people in this thread, sure. I even replied to John on resellerratings.com. I'm really not purposefully trying to be negative, or bash jab-tech for no good reason. IMO the way the situation was handled was unacceptable. I guarantee you if this had all taken place at a walk-in retailer and I spoke to the manager face to face, I would have gotten a full refund if that was what I wanted. Guarantee it. There is no way any reasonable retailer would expect me to pay more money in this scenario.

This whole situation has been quite an experience and some may even see it as petty (that's your perogative). However, that being said, I'm not the one doing the insulting and personally attacking others, as some in this thread have done to me.
 
seems to me like he went above and beyond what he had to. you agreed to this upon checkout.




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Here lets get abstract here. You might see the point most of us are trying to make.

Lets say you told John in your mail that you wanted to grab another part, and the shipping the part back is eating into the purchase budget. He admited to an oopsie on the site.


What happens if he felt bad about that , and told ya, he would give you credit in his store as an appology for the inconvieniance/

This could of went many ways. Life is not perfect and we sometimes take things at face value. Sometimes a little understanding in a tiny error can reap benifits. Though as a OCF memeber I would think you read up on the unit you picked, and knew the specs it had for your region. That is not the case, and how it ended up is how it is now. Am I not happy your not happy.

Instead of quoting members here and thinking they are out to get you. Think that some members are trying to understand what went wrong. Maybe even include some insight how to avoid situations like this in the future.

Edit:
One thing any retailer will not refund. Is your gas cost. Unless you can drive to Jab-tech. You have to get it to him someway, so he can process the part back into his stock. An ugly part of online is you pay to send it back. :(
 
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interesting thread lol
but yea, what rhino posted covers jab-tech, as it would any vendor
end of case

sorry you didnt get your active pvc..but honestly why do you care and why are you making such a big deal out of it. this is what i dont understand. it'd be one thing if your psu had less amps on a rail than advertised, but common man it looks to me like perhaps you found a better psu so you wanted a good reason to return yours and have shipping covered.

thats just my .02 :)

looking foward to the info SSS extracts on monday...
 
Kilyin said:
I'm going around to forums bashing good vendors?

Yes you are. You also posted here about Sidewinder recently.



Kilyin said:
The truth is that I gave him a bad review on resellerratings.com.

That is your right but also the vendors have a right to respond. The vendors response basically does not put you in a good light.



Kilyin said:
I also filed a complaint with the BBB (not that they ever do anything).

That seems a bit overboard. The BBB will review the facts of the case and most likely rule the vendor took reasonable steps. So the BBB will do something just not what you want.



Kilyin said:
Whether or not you think that it was justified doesn't really matter to me.

Your posts seem to indicate something different, maybe it is time to stop digging yourself deeper. Sometimes it is better to just walk away.



Bottom line, many of us here have had excellent experiences with Jab-Tech and will continue to use them. You will have a difficult time finding support or simpathy for your case especially as it appears extremely petty so it maybe time to stop defending your case, swallow your pride and move on.

Good luck with your future purchases.
 
S_Wilson said:
Yes you are. You also posted here about Sidewinder recently.

Even though that has absolutely nothing to do with this, I'll respond.

I already indicated that I was out of line with the Sidewinder thread. I even asked an admin to delete it. I'm not incapable of admitting when I'm wrong. I didn't give Sidewinder a bad review on resellerratings.com.

S_Wilson said:
That is your right but also the vendors have a right to respond. The vendors response basically does not put you in a good light.

Put quite simply, he isn't being truthful in his response on resellerratings.com. I only had one other RMA with jab-tech which was about a year and a half ago (I already stated this) and was without incident. I don't know why he's even mentioning that, let alone claiming I had two previous RMAs (That is a lie) because it has nothing to do with this. This is the first time I've ever given any vendor a bad review. It's not like I'm some habitual instigator looking to smear the reputation of every online retailer I come in contact with. I was also banned from the jab-tech site before I posted that review, so who's really being childish?

I didn't ask for an RMA out of spite, I asked for it because I didn't and still don't like the way he handled the mistake.

S_Wilson said:
That seems a bit overboard. The BBB will review the facts of the case and most likely rule the vendor took reasonable steps. So the BBB will do something just not what you want.

He claims on the resellerratings.com reply that he's been threatened with media exposure. Either that's the BBB, or another lie. I don't know, but I didn't have anything to do with it.

S_Wilson said:
Your posts seem to indicate something different, maybe it is time to stop digging yourself deeper. Sometimes it is better to just walk away.

Digging myself deeper? This is an internet messageboard for Vendor discussion. I'm not sure what you're implying, but if you don't like what I'm posting, then you don't have to read it.

S_Wilson said:
Bottom line, many of us here have had excellent experiences with Jab-Tech and will continue to use them. You will have a difficult time finding support or simpathy for your case especially as it appears extremely petty so it maybe time to stop defending your case, swallow your pride and move on.

You're quite a character. I'm not looking for sympathy. This is over now, for me. I'm simply relaying my experience with the vendor (the purpose of this forum). What you do or don't do with the information is irrelevant. It's not going to affect me. Whether you had a wonderful purchasing experience with John from jab-tech and a candle-lit dinner followed by a romantic interlude on the beach is of no consequence to me. I gave my opinion and responded when addressed in the thread. I'm not defending "my case", I'm correcting inaccuracies and responding to personal attacks.

S_Wilson said:
Good luck with your future purchases.

Thanks, and same to you.
 
Kilyin,

I am asking for a reply to my post. This is not me attacking you. I would like to see your opinion on this:

Enablingwolf (Post #33) said:
Edit:
One thing any retailer will not refund. Is your gas cost. Unless you can drive to Jab-tech. You have to get it to him someway, so he can process the part back into his stock. An ugly part of online is you pay to send it back.

I see that is a major gripe you have with him. I think this is a good discussion for your topic. Since it is part of your compliant with Jab-Tech.
 
Kilyin said:
Whether you had a wonderful purchasing experience with John from jab-tech and a candle-lit dinner followed by a romantic interlude on the beach is of no consequence to me.

Was that really neccessary? That comment says a lot about your character.
 
Enablingwolf said:
Kilyin,

I am asking for a reply to my post. This is not me attacking you. I would like to see your opinion on this:

Edit:
One thing any retailer will not refund. Is your gas cost. Unless you can drive to Jab-tech. You have to get it to him someway, so he can process the part back into his stock. An ugly part of online is you pay to send it back.

I see that is a major gripe you have with him. I think this is a good discussion for your topic. Since it is part of your compliant with Jab-Tech.

Hey, you're probably right. I suppose shouldn't have expected them to pay for the shipping costs. Someone on this forum actually suggested that and at the time it made sense to me. But he could have done something, anything. Store credit, free shipping on my next purchase, whatever.

It's not hard to make a small concession and make the consumer happy. All he did was give me the runaround and tell me I should be happy because the item functioned. To me, that is not how you do business. If a consumer is unhappy for any reason (especially because of a misprint or misleading information on your website - which is essentially your store) then you should do what you can to remedy the situation. I was offered nothing but a text-based apology. He could have taken the time to pick up the phone and call me, and at least apologize in person.

To be honest, I didn't really want to send the item back. I just wanted to know that I had the option to do so if it came to that. Like I said, even a small store credit or free shipping on my next purchase would have been sufficient, or he could have just offered to reimburse shipping costs. He did nothing, and that's why I gave him a bad review, filed a complaint (also suggested by someone on this forum), and posted this thread.

It's over now, and I have learned something from all of this. In the future, I'll research my purchases much more carefully from now on, and I won't contact the vendor until I am completely positive that I want to RMA the item, if it ever comes to that again.
 
S_Wilson said:
Was that really neccessary? That comment says a lot about your character.

Was it really necessary to tell me to "swallow my pride and move on"? Was it really necessary to infer that I'm somehow fishing for sympathy? Your whole post was smarmy and condescending.

If you can't take a lighthearted comical jab, then don't dish it out.
 
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