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jw50

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We do not condone the use and/or discussion of these programs within the forums. If you feel the need to discuss programs such as these, I'm sure there are many other forums that will suit you.

Jon
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Tebore

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Sure this looks tempting but it could be another trogan made to work like Kazaa and this doesn't look like it's backed by Kazaa's network. Looks more like a warez or a hacked down version of kazaa.
 
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jw50

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Jon,

I would recommend that if it is against the forum rules to mention peer-to-peer programs that this be specifically stated in the forum rules area. The only thing I have seen in the forum rules is this:

6. ABSOLUTLY no posting of Warez or links to Warez sites. All such sites are illegal and pose a threat to our continued existence.

I do not understand why this forum would consider a peer-to-peer program to be Warez. The programs do have uses other than exchanging copywrited materials and the courts have not ruled as yet that these programs are illegal. The particular link that I provided was just to a tweaked version of a legal program that blocks the adware contained in the program. If the problem is that it was a tweaked version of the peer-to-peer program that caused the post to be in violation of the forum rules then I appologize, the intent of the post was only to provide info for the users that wanted to get rid of the spyware and I was in no way advocating the use of the program to violate copywrite laws.
 

Kendan

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Looks like you missed this part of the rules:
Warez, Crackz, and Copyrighted material

This is to clarify the position of this site regarding Warez information and warez sites, Crackz and information about crackz, and the posting and downloading of copyrighted material.

Overclockers prohibits the promotion of, and reference to, any program or website which contains or distributes Warez, Crackz, and pirated copyrighted material, including but not limited to music and video.

Discussion of Warez, crackz, and pirated copyrighted material is not permitted in this forum. Any offer to provide or request to receive warez, crackz, and bootleg material will be deleted without notice and the offender will be warned. A repeat offense is grounds for permanent dismissal, without recourse, from these forums.

This is a serious issue for this Forum. Allowing discussion of and, by extension condoning the distribution of, said information jeopardizes the very existence of this Forum. As such, it will not be tolerated. For the long-term future of this site, please abide by this rule.

Thanks,

Overclockers.com Forum Management Team
 
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jw50

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Thanks Kendan, I did not see expanded explanation but I would still recommend that if peer-to-peer programs by definition violate those rules it would help to specifically state that they are in violation.
 

takiwa

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Thanks Kendan, I did not see expanded explanation but I would still recommend that if peer-to-peer programs by definition violate those rules it would help to specifically state that they are in violation.

Agreed...I have never understood the anti-p2p setiment here...As long as there is a disclaimer with that program that states that any use for downloading copywrited material is against the law and forbidden by the authors, then it should be alright for us to talk about it. As long as we do not discuss WHAT we download, the agent with which we download should not be a concern here...

Are we allowed to talk about internet browsers? you can download warez through your browser just as easily...think about it. You have to draw a line somewhere...if you are scared that it will get out of hand, then say so. If someone violates the policy, then boot 'em, no second chances...but don't be anal about it.

just my 2 coppers...:beer:
 

William

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it depends on the context they are talking about. It is almost impossible to talk about them without it dissentgrating into something that can be considered warez. We are such tightwads about it because Skip can be sued for it and forced to shut the forums down. That is why we are so picky on it.

Yes, you can get warez through your browsers. And yes you can get legitimate music and stuff meant to be in the public domain through a program like Kazaa, but the way the discussions go or are started is totally different. So no, we don't kill a thread just because Kazaa is mentioned, but 98% of the time we do because it is mentioned with or alludes to warez material and is axed because of that.
 

Jon

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Rules are currently being overhauled to be more specific. Practically, the only use of these programs has been to download copyrighted material, which is illegal. I'll agree that non-copyrighted and perfectly legal material is available by using these programs, unfortunately, I refuse to be so naive into believing that is what the majority uses it for.

We used to allow mention of P2P programs within the forums until almost every discussion involving them turned into discussions on how to obtain copyrighted materials, warez, cracks, etc. Overclockers.com takes these topics very serious as they can instantly threaten its very existence.

If you have installed one of these programs and want to remove it, are having problems with internet connections, problems with system stability since installing and so on, then feel free to ask your question on how to remedy those situations. Common discussions about these P2P programs related to their use, which is best and so on is, prohibited. It leaves way too many open doors and there are other places where more help is available for you turn to. We don't want to take any chances when it comes to this sort of topic.

We do not want to lose members over a situation such as this and I apologize for being harsh in my edit of your post. My take on it is this...I've seen it so many times that I no longer have the patience to think whether or not you should know better. The rules do not spell it out in black and white, on the other hand, "Discussion of Warez, crackz, and pirated copyrighted material is not permitted in this forum. Any offer to provide or request to receive warez, crackz, and bootleg material will be deleted without notice and the offender will be warned. A repeat offense is grounds for permanent dismissal, without recourse, from these forums" does not leave much room for loopholes.

The Forum Guide, when it was written, was meant to be a set of guidelines for members. At one time it was very plain what was intended. As the forums grew, we found that more and more members wanted only to find ways to discredit the guidelines that molded these forums. If guidelines are not going to cut it and we have to move on to a list of set rules, it will be done. It will be much more strict and many freedoms that are present now will no longer be available to anyone. I don't want to see it turn to that and I'm sure no one else does either.

Hope this clears the air a little and doesn't just stir more dust.
 

takiwa

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If you have installed one of these programs and want to remove it, are having problems with internet connections, problems with system stability since installing and so on, then feel free to ask your question on how to remedy those situations. Common discussions about these P2P programs related to their use, which is best and so on is, prohibited. It leaves way too many open doors and there are other places where more help is available for you turn to. We don't want to take any chances when it comes to this sort of topic.
I agree with this, Jon...I just don't like to see people that are smart enough to NOT talk about stuff like that get mixed up or confused with the idiots who do...I use that program, and was glad to hear of the version mentioned here, but I also understand the implications of it being here leading down the wrong path of discussion. I just wish people had more common sense than to let this type of discussion get out of hand, like it inevitably would...:mad: I'm not trying to make your life harder, I was just expressing my opinion on the matter :D
 

Jon

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We're all in agreement there. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone as I don't feel jw50 knew our stance on the subject.

Many topics that needed to be treaded lightly are much more difficult to bring into the forums now than they used to. There is a fine line between what is acceptable, and what is not acceptable regarding P2P programs. This line is too thin for some to see and end up bringing things to the table that do not belong there. I don't always blame the member for it either. Many do not understand the implications a site like this stands to encounter for these things. Others are simply misinformed or miseducated by other forums that allow it to carry on..."why should it not be allowed here if it is most everywhere else?".

It's just easier for us to disallow altogether it than it is to monitor each and every thread that contains a discussion it's related to. This would not hold up with any other topic that I can think of...doesn't hurt that it's already a sensitive area of discussion.

As I stated before, technical questions regarding these programs are allowed to an extent. This extent being that it does not reach into a discussion where the actual use of such programs and links to them are included. It's another fine line, I know, but it's one that is a bit safer for the forums.