lanparty 250 gb nf3 with athlon 64 3400+ mobile

[pcrx]

hi everybody, brand new here, so bear with me,
just purchased an " athlon 64 3400+ 2.2ghz 1m L2 mobile" to start my oc adventures so i don't burn up anything i love. but anyway, i can't seem to find out for sure if i need to use a beta bios or just simply ajust voltages manually to get this proc to work.
it starts to boot , seems to recognize it in the bios but reboots before windows loads . temp is stable at 58c ,maybe thats too high not sure yet, , but i can see from what searches i've done there may be a trick to getting mobile to work. i bought one because i saw it seemed to work on my board, according to previous research. using some gigabyte air cooler with lift pipes. in case you are wondering. once i see that it even works i will run out and buy some watercooler.

 

[Jason Kitchens]

58c seems REALLY high to me for idle temps. I would make sure the heatsink is making contact with the core. As far as the rebot is there a temp shutoff in the bios that might be triggering? I haven't used any mobile proc so i'm not sure about the correct bios version but if it recgonizes the chip i would think it would work....

 

[pcrx]

Temp definitly too high

Thanks for the reply,
the heatsink was in fact NOT making contact so I changed the fan to a better one I had and still same no boot to windows , again it posts (after complete bios reset) starting from scratch, and the temp came down to 49c, but same thing. gets to windows and BEEp...reboot. so I gotta figure there is some voltage thig or bios thing I am missing. I am completly new to overclocking and as I understand it I got the perfect board for it. a bit too much to configure , I have had it for 4 or 5 years and just never had time to sit and read all the OC steps . I have spent the past two weeks reading and not made any attempts at it yet, but it seems I have 3 fair overcloking proccessors at my disposal. I am lacking a really good fan but I do have a g-power 43cfm fan, made by gigabyte about two years old , alot of stuff has come out since then. I have no idea how good it is as far as keeping things cool because I havn't overclocked anything even a little yet. I tits definitly WAAY bigger than the stock fan and has these cooling pipes running out of it. Kinda afraid to hose the bios, the last time I tried it was with an MSI board 6 years ago and blew it all up in 12 seconds and thought I better read first on the next board!!!
I am not trying to see how fast I can get it to go , just trying to see it go a little faster and know I can do it as I learn. I was pretty satisfied with the 3000+ performance I just want to learn some and have somthing to show for it, and not burn sh__it up.!
thanks again.
OH and now I see everybody oc's the ram as well. that adds a bunch of variables I wasn't ready for either.! LOL oh well.

this is what I have to work with right now

 

[Jason Kitchens]

I'm not extremely familiar with the nf3, although I've got one sitting in the next room. I've worked with the nf4 some so I might be able to help some. First of all the temp still seems high. Triple check that the heatsink is making good contact with the core. Install the hs and remove it and check the pattern the paste is making on the core.

(IMPORTANT!!!) The mobile chip is not as tall as the normal chip so the heatsink mount usually has to be modified to work. Also make sure if you're using artic silver 5 or any other thermal material that is electicaly conductive that there is not too much that it gets on the rest of the chip.

Just doing a quick check on the diy-street forums(http://www.diy-street.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=29) the mobile chip should work with the dfi board.

Next make sure you gave the bios enough time to reset when you try to reset it. Pull the psu plug/ turn it off when you remove the bios battery and change the jumper. Leave it in this state for at least a few minutes. But I would check the interface on the core first!

Try this and let us know how it works. But my gut says that lunch sucked for me and that most of the problems will be related to the contact between the hsf and the core.

 

[pcrx]

gonna give it anothr inspection

thanks, i will re-inspect th contact, it did seem like i needed to mod the hs somehow for it.
3400+ 1mb L2 2.2 mhz
is this at least enough to get me learning?. you want to see results ya know!. i read somwhere it was supposed to be a good oc'r? but you know info contridicts itself depending on where you read it. in other words, i also read it blows in a desktop.
i'll let you know what happens and thanks for the input.
ps i did buy an extra zahlman today from frys.
pcrxd

 

[Jason Kitchens]

You never know... Try it and see how far you can push before it goes unstable. Small steps and do your research and use this board if ya have more issues...

And most of all be patient you can screw up more stuff by being in a hurry than anything else. Thats how know to bet about the heat issue. After cleaning my watercooling loop I forgot to hook the pump up to power and the cpu got really hot!!! Then it did the same thing would start to boot into windows and imedatly reboot....

 

[DragoXT]

make sure you update your bios on your board to at least 5/4/2005 as that addresses some major issues with the board, like reading temps 10c higher than they really are etc. Be sure you get contact between the core and your heatsink, once you have that, your mobile chip should idle below 30c with a decent cooler and some good thermal paste. My 3400+ clawhammer desktop cpu with a TT Venus 12 idles at 28c with the fan only going 3000rpm with an IHS, so i would expect your chip to run cooler.

Once you get the compy to boot, go directly to your bios and change the voltage for your cpu in the genie bios settings. Since that is a notebook chip, you will most likely need to manually set the cpu voltage to what it should be.

Have fun overclocking, the board you have is awsome for it, just take things slow and document what you are doing, so when you have to clear CMOS you know what to go back and set and change.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Thanks for the reply,
the heatsink was in fact NOT making contact so I changed the fan to a better one I had and still same no boot to windows , again it posts (after complete bios reset) starting from scratch, and the temp came down to 49c, but same thing. gets to windows and BEEp...reboot.

That sounds familiar, when at the Windows XP logo, you hear a faint bleep and it reboots.

That's Windows XP bug checking, AFAIK.
You're probably sometimes seeing a blue screen flash and a reboot over and over again.

Have you checked the Vcore and if that looks fine, then did you check the other settings in the BIOS.

This just sounds like a major Windows unstability, because of wrong settings.

 

[muddocktor]

Hi pcrx, I've been running an NF3-250Gb for a few years now with a mobile 3000+ installed and it's been a very, very stable folding/crunching system running 24/7/365. Like has been said, the bare die processor doesn't stick up as high as a regular lidded desktop proc and you could still be having clearance issues with either the RM or the even the socket itself having clearance problems with your hsf. I've used the Thermalright XP90 on mine with no clearance issues, so if you can find one for a good price then go for it. It uses it's own included RM that doesn't have clearance issues with the mobile procs. And like DragoXT posted, you might need to update your bios too. I can't tell you what bios I'm using because I just took that system out of service to sell soon and also I am at work 400 miles from the house for the next week or two.

 

[pcrx]

Thanks got good contact now no boot though

still at a standstill, I am having trouble finding any definite answers/info on bios and voltages.
system boots to get into bios but no further. I have everything on auto for now because like I said no can find info on mobile with dfi lanparty 250-
cpu temp is steady idle at 26c so I have good contact finally, but I suspect I need to manually set voltages oe update bios? not sure what to update it to because I have the latest from dfi website 6/23/2005 - also I am certain it is a voltage timing thing because I have raid off and it tries to detect array while booting. it seems to do that whnever timings or voltages are off.
if anybody knows for sure if I need a modded bios or where Ican find the correct vcore and clock for that processor (mobile 3400+)2.2mhz please point me in the right direction! for now I will look some more.
I am not trying to overclock this to the max, right now I just want to overdo it enough to learn,... THEN I will burn it up! LOL I only paid 29 bucks for it but I am bot even certain it even works right now.

 

[muddocktor]

IIRC, I had to manually set the vcore and multiplier in bios on my system for it to run correctly at it's stock speed. When I first dropped it in, it booted using around 1.1v vcore and either a 6 or 8 multiplier. After I set vcore to around 1.5v and set the multiplier to a 9 (the highest multi a 3000+ mobile has), the machine booted up faultlessly and I then proceeded to overclock from there.

 

[pcrx]

hmmm thats odd

It is defaulting to 1.5 vcore and the only other option is 1.6 ot 1.7 also It is a 3400+ I just looked it up and it says the multi is 11? really not sure how to set anything to get it to boot. I never make it to a windows screen it just beeps and reboots.
but correct me if I 'm wron, I need to take it off auto and jus t set multi to 11 and as far as v core it is rated at 1.5 and it is already there. I remeber reading somewhere about a modded bios to be able to up the vcore in smaller incriments, I can't find it now of course.
this is frustrating, because for all I know I bought a fried cpu from flea bay.
or the mobile is not fully supported with this bios.
what to do

 

[pcrx]

jsut the info I think I needed too

I think its the bios thats limiting me, maybe when you get near it you can have a look at youtrs and tell me what setting you used to get it to work, aparently you and I are the only tow people with that board and a mobile .
Temp is definitly not the problem - bios shows 25c idle. but like I said just keeps rebooting and of corse lowest core voltage available is 1.6 and I saw specs showing only needs 1.5 so I guess its possible the proc is no good- no way to tell really , ther aren't enough people with experience with this setup.

Hi pcrx, I've been running an NF3-250Gb for a few years now with a mobile 3000+ installed and it's been a very, very stable folding/crunching system running 24/7/365. Like has been said, the bare die processor doesn't stick up as high as a regular lidded desktop proc and you could still be having clearance issues with either the RM or the even the socket itself having clearance problems with your hsf. I've used the Thermalright XP90 on mine with no clearance issues, so if you can find one for a good price then go for it. It uses it's own included RM that doesn't have clearance issues with the mobile procs. And like DragoXT posted, you might need to update your bios too. I can't tell you what bios I'm using because I just took that system out of service to sell soon and also I am at work 400 miles from the house for the next week or two.

 

[bldegle2]

is this a new OS load, cause from what i am reading it sounds as if you are using a previosuly loaded OS from another system????

if it is booting to a splash screen and you can access the bios, but the OS can't load....

laterzzzz...............

 

[pcrx]

no dsoesnt make it to splash screen, you can't even attempt to load os it reboots beforew any boot device detection- it posts initial hardware info and then beeps and reboots. but if I hit del to get into bios , I can get to that, and nothing else. somewhere in the thread someone thought I was getting a splash screen, but I never said that.

 

[muddocktor]

I'll see what I can do when I get in from the wellsite for you, pcrx. I'm presently on a land well 7 hours from the house, but hopefully this job will be finishing up some time this weekend. I should then be able to rig up the mobo to a psu and monitor so that I can look at my bios settings for you.

 

[DragoXT]

When the splash screen shows, press delete to get into the bios. Once there, go to advanced chipset features and set cpu thermal throtling to disabled. Press escape and go back to the main bios menu. Then go to Genie Bios Settings. In here, scroll down and make sure clock speed spectrum is disabled as well as k8 cool and quiet. These first three things are essential to make sure you have your cpu cooler with good contact on your chip at idle and load.

The next thing to do is scroll down more till you see cpu vid control and cpu vid special control. Set the cpu vid control to the correct voltage for your mobile computer. You should have a range from .01 all they way up to 2.0. Leave the cpu vid special control at auto.

That should be good enough to get you going, once you get your system up and stable, then you can mess with other settings to over clock your chip.

 

[pcrx]

Thanks for the tip-...however...

Thanks for the response DragoXT,
Ok I was looking at the maual and your response and tried your reccomendation but so far that result was obviously not the thing to do for me, it just shutsdown immediatly after initial post (instead of rebooting like before it shuts down) anyway the part that is confusing me is chip set voltage and the vid control voltage listen to this...
on "chip set voltage" I only have 3 options 1.6 1.7 1.8 it defaults to 1.6 does this mean I cnanot put in a processor that is supposed to run below that?
on the voltage monitor page in the bios it show the mobile 3400 running at .93 v
I checked the specs and it says it is supposed to tun at 1.5v but it is not real clear if that is the vcore.
I set the vid control to 1.5 starts at .0825 and goes up to 2.0 I think.
so as you can see I may have done somthing wrong or I am not sure how to read what the processor is supposed to be running at. can't find clear information I have checked sever amd sites and looked for specs and looked on the chip itself-
AMD ATHLON 64 3400+ SOCKET 754 CPU - AMN3400BIX5AR
I'm getting so frustrated because I've never messed with any of these settings. and I not new to building machines either. just never messed with it because of this . I am determined to get this #$%@@! going.

When the splash screen shows, press delete to get into the bios. Once there, go to advanced chipset features and set cpu thermal throtling to disabled. Press escape and go back to the main bios menu. Then go to Genie Bios Settings. In here, scroll down and make sure clock speed spectrum is disabled as well as k8 cool and quiet. These first three things are essential to make sure you have your cpu cooler with good contact on your chip at idle and load.

The next thing to do is scroll down more till you see cpu vid control and cpu vid special control. Set the cpu vid control to the correct voltage for your mobile computer. You should have a range from .01 all they way up to 2.0. Leave the cpu vid special control at auto.

That should be good enough to get you going, once you get your system up and stable, then you can mess with other settings to over clock your chip.

 

[DragoXT]

Vcore = the voltage that your CPU needs to run at. Set that at 1.5v The chipset voltage is for the chipset on the motherboard, nothing to do with the cpu voltage. Leave it at 1.6v.

You have a MOBILE chip so if you do not have the 3 things in my previous post disabled, thermal throttling, clock speed spectrum, and k8 cool and quiet, then you might get some funky things going on with it trying to save power.

If you are still having issues with these settings, then clear your CMOS and then ONLY change the settings i have mentioned and see if you can get it to POST.

Dont let a few mishaps put you off from over clocking, it is a tedious and meticulous process, not something simple. If you want simple, then use a windows app that lets you overclock, though your overclock will be severly limited compared to a BIOS overclock.

 

[pcrx]

Thankx

I will give that a try at about 10:30 tonight. and thank you for clearing up the vcore and chipset settings in the bios for me. I had been wondering that for a few weeks since I started all this. and FYI I do not want simple I want THIS to seem simple at somepoint after I have learned how it all works together. I just bought a intel e5250 it runs at 2.33, duo core and gigabyte dsl3 and this 3400+ and lanparty still runs at least as good if not a bit better at the moment.
I will post results tonight.