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Look out R420, NV40 has 16 pipelines & 210 transistors!!!
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The companies will stop
Production of High end AGP graphics cards by the end of Q2 2004? Where did you get this info? Im quite sure these companies know that there most avid customers are The People like us. And i hope they Know that were NOT going to upgrade our Complete systems to get a PCI-Express vidio card.
They will lose major money if they even try that one so quick. It will be phased out, But not totally. I give it 2 years. It sure as heck isnt going to happen in 4 months.
Harry
Production of High end AGP graphics cards by the end of Q2 2004? Where did you get this info? Im quite sure these companies know that there most avid customers are The People like us. And i hope they Know that were NOT going to upgrade our Complete systems to get a PCI-Express vidio card.
They will lose major money if they even try that one so quick. It will be phased out, But not totally. I give it 2 years. It sure as heck isnt going to happen in 4 months.
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Not so, under one condition. BTX
If INTeL can convince their OEMs to go BTX by May 2004, (which is what they are projecting) then it will be the end of AGP cards.
BTX is not compatable with AGP cards, period.
If INTeL can convince their OEMs to go BTX by May 2004, (which is what they are projecting) then it will be the end of AGP cards.
BTX is not compatable with AGP cards, period.
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I still dont see it happening
Isnt the BTX standard being made for PCiexpress and For new socket proggys?
If thats the case whats Intel going to do with there budget processors like the Cele?
Harry
Isnt the BTX standard being made for PCiexpress and For new socket proggys?
If thats the case whats Intel going to do with there budget processors like the Cele?
Harry
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Sentential said:
Thats an oxymoron
Theres nothing about it on nVidia or Doom 3's website, so its all still rumor. The only thing is that the GFFX is "recommended" for Doom 3.
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I believe that everyting for intel will be going to the new btx standard, thoug I seriously doubt we will see an end to agp anytime soon, My guess is you'll start seeing it disapear around this time next year. You have to remember noone here has seen a pci xps vid card nor a xps compatible mobo. How can anyone think that agp will suddenly vanish the way of the dinosaur because intel wants too. Remember RD ram, ddr didin't vanish cause intel wanted it too, neither will agp anytime soon.
Evnas said:
Thats an oxymoron
Theres nothing about it on nVidia or Doom 3's website, so its all still rumor. The only thing is that the GFFX is "recommended" for Doom 3.
i dunno this seems like confirmation to me.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nzone_doom3_home.html
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xtrmeocr said:
No, its not
Thats what I was talking about when I said Doom 3 just recommends GFFX. There is nothing stating that Id and nVidia have partnered together and Doom 3 will be shipping with future cards.
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xtrmeocr said:
just because the software is recommended, doesn't mean that it will be included with the cards.
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I just love people comparing 2 cards that aren't out yet. Weeeee!!!
This was a fun read.
This was a fun read.
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xtrmeocr said:
And that automatically means Doom 3 is as well?
Maybe ATi is in the game as well, trying to get Doom 3 in their bundle, so then maybe it wont. Maybe Id/Activision dont want Doom 3 bundled till after its been out for a while...who knows.
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xtrmeocr said:
realy????
I just looked at 4 retail cards from asus, abit, and BFG......
not one of the retail cards contained any of the activsion titles as a bundle.
anyway, just because Doom3 is also published by activsion, doesn't mean that you'll get it for free....
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Evnas said:
And that automatically means Doom 3 is as well?
Maybe ATi is in the game as well, trying to get Doom 3 in their bundle, so then maybe it wont. Maybe Id/Activision dont want Doom 3 bundled till after its been out for a while...who knows.
if it was just that page then no. but if you add up everything thats been said including john carmack's love over the years for nvidia then yes it does. if you cant see it your either blind or you just dont want to.
micamica1217 said:
realy????
I just looked at 4 retail cards from asus, abit, and BFG......
not one of the retail cards contained any of the activsion titles as a bundle.
anyway, just because Doom3 is also made by activsion, doesn't mean that you'll get it for free....
mica
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nzone_callofduty_bundle.html
doom3 is made by id not activison.
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there is no point in making agp cards if agp dies out unless low end agp cards are made. you never see a pci card faster than the low end fx5200 or 9100se, both about as fast as a geforce2 anyway. I still think its good to include agp in tomorrows mobos for all the ti4200s and 9800 pros out there. I upgrade my mobo, I want to be able to use my ti4200!!!!!!
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xtrmeocr said:
1) I have never stated that Doom3 was made by activision....
(edit: oooops, it seems I did.
anyway, it was a typo)but, yes, activision will still be the publisher of all the games you mentioned.
2) I don't care what that page you listed stated (other then the fact that it states "from a participating add-in card manufacturer."
sofar, few if any FX cards contain any game from the publisher "Activision"....this includes Doom3.
btw, your statements to evnas have no merit, and are based on just pure wishfull thinking.....
that doesn't mean that Doom3 could never be bundeled with the FX cards or the newer cards, just that you have no facts that it will happen at this time.
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Overclocker550 said:
sorry, but as I've stated to you already.....
AGP will slowly be fazed out durring 2004, and may not be on any mobo in the year 2005.
sorry but that's called advancement.
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xtrmeocr said:
It doesnt matter what John Carmack thinks, or likes...its not up to him. Activision is the company putting the game on the shelves. They decided who, or even if, it gets bundles with
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micamica1217 said:
Very true,
And the real truth is that graphics cards never even used the bandwidth of AGP4X let alone the bandwidth of AGP8X. The whole reason behind this phasing out process is the fact that by getting rid of AGP and replacing it with the PCI eXpress X16, your whole system is being speeded up due to PCI eXpress having the ability to run all of your old PCI 1.1 and 2.0 slots as well. Being able to by pass that south bridge is big stuff.
That is if they decide to actually use the independent PCI Express interface instead of the slower southbridge hybred.
EDIT: I forgot to add that nVidia's current PCX 5950 Ultra is slower than the FX 5950 Ultra due to the AGP to PCI-eXpress converter that is used. Untill a true PCI Express graphics card is built, the new technology will actually be physically slower than the old technology. NV40 is also supposed to use the converter as well according to the inquirer.
ATI on the other hand is saying they are making true PCI eXpress cards with the R420V and R380V series. This is just rumors so take it with a grain of salt.
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