M.2 heatsink

[dumpa]

Did you put the support on? Should be like a rubber thingy..

What support? Would it be included with the motherboard or the drive?

 

[freeagent]

What support? Would it be included with the motherboard or the drive?

It should come with the motherboard.. You thread it into the board, each hole representing the size of M.2 that you intend to use

 

[dumpa]

It should come with the motherboard.. You thread it into the board, each hole representing the size of M.2 that you intend to use

This is my drive with no heatsink. Not sure if this helps..

 

[=XAF=AfterShock]

This is my drive with no heatsink. Not sure if this helps..

that looks much better, when you put the heatsink on from the mobo did you leave everything on the m.2 drive plus the thermal pad that is already attached to the mobos heatsink?

 

[freeagent]

Yeah that looks way better dude, just run it like that I guess, or peel the thermal pad off and try it again, but really.. that bend was pretty impressive.

 

[=XAF=AfterShock]

Yeah that looks way better dude, just run it like that I guess, or peel the thermal pad off and try it again, but really.. that bend was pretty impressive.

I didn't notice it before but it looked like the thermal pad from the mobos heatsink was being squished out the sides which would explain why it's putting so much pressure on the drive, I've done the same thing before but my drive had that copper sticker and even that was too thick.

 

[dumpa]

I didn't notice it before but it looked like the thermal pad from the mobos heatsink was being squished out the sides which would explain why it's putting so much pressure on the drive, I've done the same thing before but my drive had that copper sticker and even that was too thick.

I removed the thermal pad completely and it was bent just the same. Oh well

 

[rainless]

You would see the difference if you were actually using your PC under an extended high load. The same goes for SSD and RAM (if RAM runs at higher voltages).
Nearly every SSD designed for PS5 has a heatsink because it heats up even more when closed in the console.

The GM7000 is sold with and without a heatsink. It's an older model (nearly three years on the market) and heats up under high load. It won't overheat during typical work, but it will overheat during extended high load if you don't provide additional cooling. In short, 30-40C is idle, 55-60C is light/daily work with some breaks, and 70C+ is high load. The throttling point is typically at 75C and requires a heatsink to keep it below that temp. I don't remember if the GM7000 had it at 75C or higher. 85C is a critical temp and will keep the SSD throttling all the time, or if throttling doesn't lower the temp, then it may shut down the SSD (it will turn off and won't be visible in the OS until the restart).

Not everybody is the Overclockers.com Benching Team Leader...

HELL... only YOU are the Overclockers.com Benching Team Leader!

The rest of us... probably don't need a heatsink for our M.2 drives and RAM.

Is this really normal? I mean the fact the drive is bent won't help with cooling since the contact with the thermal putty is limited. Thanks

DUDE! STOP DOING THAT! You're freaking me out!

I know they're trying to destroy anything resembling an education system... but that's all the more reason to think outside the box. Just because a google-translated Chinese instruction manual tells you to put on a heatsink that bends your storage drive... doesn't mean you have to actually do it.

 

[EarthDog]

The rest of us... probably don't need a heatsink for our M.2 drives and RAM.

Really, it depends on what you do with the drive. If you happen to work with and move large files around often, drives can throttle and slow performance down... especially those without a heatsink.

Benching team or not (FWIW there are two leaders...), you want to get the performance you paid for all the time, regardless if most of the time you can get away with it. Hence, using a heatsink on 4.0 or greater drives is suggested.

Edit: here's what his drive does out of the box with the default heatsink...

 

[Woomack]

No everybody is the Overclockers.com Benching Team Leader...

HELL... only YOU are the Overclockers.com Benching Team Leader!

The rest of us... probably don't need a heatsink for our M.2 drives and RAM.

I didn't ask to be the team's leader, but I was once asked to be one of three team leaders when we had 100+ active members, and the team needed some people to manage it (two are still around). No one pays me for anything around here, and I have spent a lot of time supporting others for many years. I don't expect anything and I never asked for anything, so at least you could respect that and hold your BS. I don't care if you know me, but you must be blind, not seeing what I have done for the last ~20 years.

 

[rainless]

Really, it depends on what you do with the drive. If you happen to work with and move large files around often, drives can throttle and slow performance down... especially those without a heatsink.

Benching team or not (FWIW there are two leaders...), you want to get the performance you paid for all the time, regardless if most of the time you can get away with it. Hence, using a heatsink on 4.0 or greater drives is suggested.

Edit: here's what his drive does out of the box with the default heatsink...

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Do you have another graph that shows overall performance when the drive's been bent into the shape of a banana for a week and a half? (I'll accept a venn diagram if you've got one...)

I didn't ask to be the team's leader, but I was once asked to be one of three team leaders when we had 100+ active members, and the team needed some people to manage it (two are still around). No one pays me for anything around here, and I have spent a lot of time supporting others for many years. I don't expect anything and I never asked for anything, so at least you could respect that and hold your BS. I don't care if you know me, but you must be blind, not seeing what I have done for the last ~20 years.

I have no idea what you're talking about. All I said was that you're the Benching Team Leader (co-leader as I was just informed)... Implying that I'm well-aware of what you've done for at least the portion of the last 20 years that I've actually been here.

I was just making the point that you probably do a hell of a lot more with your computer than even your above-average person does.

As far as telling me to "hold my BS"... well...

You must be unfamiliar with MY contributions to this forum over the last almost-twenty years.

So I'm just going to let that slide.

 

[EarthDog]

Do you have another graph that shows overall performance when the drive's been bent into the shape of a banana for a week and a half? (I'll accept a venn diagram if you've got one...)

LUL. If you cant see the forest through the trees here...big yikes. The point I was trying to make was generic. You're suggesting they aren't needed. People are telling you otherwise.

It should go without saying if you're bending the PCB, it's not a good idea to use it like that. Clearly their paltry 'sink needs to be removed before use with the one on the board. Come on... don't act dense/troll.

 

[don256us]

Something is clearly not right. This issue should NOT even be a thing. Would you mind taking pictures of the NVMe and the underside of the heatsync so that we can get a better look? I mean, something is clearly wrong.

 

[rainless]

LUL. If you cant see the forest through the trees here...big yikes. The point I was trying to make was generic. You're suggesting they aren't needed. People are telling you otherwise.

It should go without saying if you're bending the PCB, it's not a good idea to use it like that. Clearly their paltry 'sink needs to be removed before use with the one on the board. Come on... don't act dense/troll.

Hey... I'm all out of being accused of things that I haven't done. Woomack (whom I've always respected), thinks I haven't even heard of him and I'm unfamiliar with his work... dfonda thinks I'm trying to hijack some other thread...

I know the holiday season can be tense for a lot of people.... people get a little sensitive... but Open Season on Rainless is officially over..

Fact of the matter is... dude was STILL asking questions about that heatsink after I made my first comment.

That tells me that you guys may have been speaking a little TOO generically and not really answering the man's question.

It doesn't really matter what "performance" may show or what "generally" may or may not be the case.

Dude has an M.2 drive that's being put into Lex Luger's Human Human Torture Rack...

...so I'm gonna err on the side of: "I've been using M.2 drives for the past ten years or so... never had a heatsink on one... got all three M.2 slots populated right now... and never had a problem. So NO: You don't need one. Just leave it off and you'll be fine without it."

That gives a clear, unambiguous answer to the question and maybe a counterpoint to what everyone else is saying.

Now if you're saying you only want people to post who AGREE with you... Well hell... it's your show. Why not?

You've got the graphs and whatnot. Studies have shown that it's better to have a heatsink than not to have a heatsink. (Though I personally think that's all a load of crap as I've never had that problem and... either way... that heatsink and that M.2 combination that the OP is trying to rock? No bueno. Don't do it. Uno over and out.)

 

[EarthDog]

.so I'm gonna err on the side of: "I've been using M.2 drives for the past ten years or so... never had a heatsink on one... got all three M.2 slots populated right now... and never had a problem. So NO: You don't need one. Just leave it off and you'll be fine without it."

I didn't say he needed one. I'm saying that with most 4/5.0 drives, you want one in order to get 100% performance 100% of the time. If you read for comprehension, you may have seen i used the word "suggested" as well as "even if most of the time you can get away with it".

Now if you're saying you only want people to post who AGREE with you... Well hell... it's your show. Why not?

I didn't say, allude, nor infer that at all. WTF???

Were trying to take care of the guy.. its smack your bish *** obvious that if the pcb is bending that's 'no beuno' and we're all still trying to figure out why that's happening...its up to him if he chooses to get another that works, doesn't use one at all or continue to see why the existing one is bending the unit.. nobody is thwarting that effort.

 

[rainless]

I didn't say he needed one. I'm saying that with most 4/5.0 drives, you want one in order to get 100% performance 100% of the time. If you read for comprehension, you may have seen i used the word "suggested" as well as "even if most of the time you can get away with it".

Dude was clearly confused. So maybe it wasn't the right time to make that argument. Not everyone cares about "100% performance 100% of the time"... I think he just wanted to make sure the thing wouldn't melt if it didn't have a heatsink.

I didn't say, allude, nor infer that at all. WTF???

You just accused ME of "being dense/trolling"... I kinda feel the exact same way. I didn't say, or allude, or INFER anything that warranted that accusation. I just gave an opinion. I had the impression you were accusing me of trolling because I didn't agree with you. Otherwise: WHY would you even suggest that?

Were trying to take care of the guy.. its smack your bish *** obvious that if the pcb is bending that's 'no beuno' and we're all still trying to figure out why that's happening...its up to him if he chooses to get another that works, doesn't use one at all or continue to see why the existing one is bending the unit.. nobody is thwarting that effort.

True. We're ALL trying to help the guy. I was just being a bit more blunt/direct/`SIMPLE about it.

 

[freeagent]

Welp, easy way to cool it off with a cheap sink/no sink, just aim a fan at it. It wont be as good as the sink, but its better than blowing on it hoping for the best.

 

[don256us]

Okay. So I missed a lot of things here. Looking at posts just prior to mine and I can see that this NVMe *has* a heatsync. It's smaller than most but way more than just a label. Clearly you do NOT want to double up on the heatsync.

I will end by saying that I did not read the entire thread when I posted before and I still have not read the entire thread now. Anything I missed is on me dude.

@rainless . Love you. I hope everyone has a happy and stress free Christmas season.

 

[EarthDog]

Otherwise: WHY would you even suggest that?

I thought my point was painfully obvious (...that I was just filling in the blanks/adding more to 'you'll be fine' - Id want to know the whole story to make the best choice for myself...) at the time, hence the incredulous response. It seems it was neither painful nor obvious.

 

[freeagent]

I was the one who told him to peel off the pad and try with the mobo heatsink, that advice turned out to be not the greatest..