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Angry

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OK I have a friend that wants to build a multi processor for hosting games on...

Well he would go with thenew multi athlon processor board but to freaking expensive. said he would rather buy a p4 but hes not a fan of them so... anyway I was jsut wondering I have herad of boards have 2intel processors..Does teh processor count go any higher?
liek 2 intel p3s or
2 p3 Xeons? cause I was wondering the max for each.
 
Ok thanks that info helps as well but I mean are there boards that support more than 2 processors?like 3 p3s? Also that boards looks pretty cool. I may make a dual p3 setup myself when I get a job.
Im only 17. *edit* spelling
 
I thought hard about dual procs a few months ago. Remember though, it's not like a doubling effect. In gaming, it gives you at least a 15% performance increase. Network servers and multitasking are what they really are great at. At lot of wasted cash it you don't really need a dual proc and are just getting it to impress your buddies. Also, you have to use Windows NT or 2000, which not all the latest games and other software are completely supported yet.
 
if you want to spend around $2000 for dual xeon, than you will have one screaming host, but failing that go with a PIII since you only want the PIV for multimedia programs like photoshop and 3dmax
 
I like having a dual setup, but it's not critical when you have 1 ghz or more of power and don't rip from 2 dvd drives simultaneously (etc)...

The Abit VP6 is a nice board, and intel's chips are rather inexpensive now. check pricewatch for the latest pricing, think I saw VP6s at $133.00 plus shipping (another $10), and P3 700s for $100 (which of course he could overclock and possible get dual 1 GHZ with proper cooling).
 
Well..I will definitly not go xeon..dual p3 will be good.

donno what speed but aslong as they are above 500.
But this project is down the road so it will be awhile.
 
Go here for all your smp info.

As for more than 2 cpus, then you have to go either Xeon or Pentium pro. Regular pentium III only support dual configurations, but be forwarned, a quad xeon system will cost you.

If your gonna buy a new dual PIII board right now, you should probably get one that will support Tualatins. The VP6 will not. I beleive Supermicro has a board that is suppose to support Tualatin. I also beleive there is a new revision of an MSI board that I've heard is suppose to support Tualatin. I believe the MSI board is the MSI 694D Pro2. The Pro2 part is important as the older MSI 694D Pro boards probably do NOT support Tualatin. A couple of those new 512K cache Tualatins will most likely outperform anything else. Plus they run cool and don't require a 650W power supply like the dual Athlons will.
 
Xeon not for me.
DUAL AMD athlon to expensive.
P3 will do teh job.
But what is the Tualatin..Intels next gen processor? I thought that was the p4.
 
Multi processor intel boards

MSI are making an SMP Athlon MP board - lots cheaper than the Tyan.

In contrast, the price of two Fosters far outweighs the cost of two MP's and a board. The MP's are a far better option.
 
Angry (Jul 01, 2001 09:33 a.m.):
Xeon not for me.
DUAL AMD athlon to expensive.
P3 will do teh job.
But what is the Tualatin..Intels next gen processor? I thought that was the p4.


Tualatin is a new pentium III. It will come in an FCPGA2 package that is similar to FCPGA but with the addition of a metal heat spreader covering the core of the chip. However, it won't work in existing PIII boards because the input/output signal levels have changed just enough to make it not work. Hence, newer boards are needed to run them. Intel is releasing a 1.13Ghz 512K cache version that will work in dual configurations. There have been some early benchmarks that suggest these will perform quite well. They seem to be able to overclock to about the 1.4Ghz range. The performance of a a dual tualatin system should be comparable, and perhaps better in some areas, than the dual AMD systems. Plus these chips are based on a .13 micron process and will run much cooler and suck alot less power than dual AMD or Foster. Less heat and lower power requirements equals better stability.
 
Get the VP-6. You can't beat the price and performance. The Dual PIII MSI board is pathetic, the Asus isn't bad, but with the "see through" video driver debacle, I won't support Asus.

I'm on my third VP-6. (don't worry, I killed the other two, they weren't defective) I love it, and wouldn't go with anything else. Well, I would love the Tyan, but it's too expensive.
 
Angry (Jun 30, 2001 10:09 a.m.):
OK I have a friend that wants to build a multi processor for hosting games on...

Well he would go with thenew multi athlon processor board but to freaking expensive. said he would rather buy a p4 but hes not a fan of them so... anyway I was jsut wondering I have herad of boards have 2intel processors..Does teh processor count go any higher?
liek 2 intel p3s or
2 p3 Xeons? cause I was wondering the max for each.

Getting back to your question their are dual PII and PIII boards. Some are good some suck. You can have more than two processors but those are Xeon and Pentium Pro's only. You can have up to 16 Xeon's on a motherboard, though way out of your price range, or you can have up to 8 Pentium Pro's...which is more reasonable in price but probably not what you want. I would go with the Dual PIII for performace. Remember when you are making it to have matched processors as well...although i have heard only the fsb and the clock speed have to match. If are interested e-mail me more about this I was going to build one of these machines myself and still might....seeing how i just bought a dual motherboard and right now it is collecting dust.
 
Match your clock speed, and match your stepping. That is all you really need to worry about.

Personally, if overclocking, I want sister chips. Same lot number, and one number apart.

Example lot: XYZ chip 13 and 14. This will almost gaurentee that they will clock to the same speed at the same voltage.
 
The only dual board I have ever had the chance to work with (that wasn't a server board), was an Asus CUV4X-D (dual 933's, 512 ECC ram). The only benefit I could see was that the extra cpu power was used as a "buffer" for all the crap win 2K, like all microsoft OS', likes to keep in memory. Don't get me wrong though, it did run faster. But, if you're not running a server for games, or doing serious graphics work, dualies aren't really for you. I'd wait till the dual AMD's bench, wait a few months, then make a decision. Also the Intel 2.4 Ghz cpu's are comming out soon as well (courtesy of a "confidential E-mail", from Aopen's head office to our RMA departement, about the new MB's that they are going to be putting out for the 2.4's. So far the Intel platform doesn't look too great.). I'd also wait to see what they're capable of. Problem is, that they're going back to PC 133, because no one has been buying the Rambus, and DDR support is a bit further down the road, and not what it was expected to be. Mind you, a 1.4 Ghz p4 with 512 rambus is relatively cheap. It's the cost of the MB that really gets you. All in all, it pretty much comes down to a waiting game, either way. Super fast single Intel cpu, or dual fast AMD's. The only problem so far is the bottle neck of the memory.
 
If your interested in a dual CPU board you should really visit www.2cpu.com and their forums as well. I haven't heard that many bad things about the MSI board over there as some have indicated here. Furthermore the MSI 694D is based on the same VIA chipset as the VP6. So, I don't really see how the VP6 could be any better than it. Of course the MSI board I mentioned was a new revision of the board which will have to have a new revision of the chipset in order to run the Tualatins. These are probably just hitting the streets now.

As for FCPGA2 to PCPGA adaptors that would allow you to run Tualatins in coppermine boards, that's alot more complicated than it sounds. It's not just a matter of converting from one socket to another. In fact the socket isn't whats changed. It's the input/output signal levels on the bus. That makes it more complicated. I'm not sure we'll ever see such converter sockets and if we do they may be expensive and may not work in a dual configuration.

As for matching the 2 processors all you really need is 2 processors of the same speed and stepping. Their batch numbers don't have to match or even be close together. Processor from the same batch can clock very differently. So, the theory that if they're from the same batch they will overclock the same isn't necessarily true either. I would recommend the same stepping and speed to avoid trouble. Some motherboards can actually run different stepping and different speeds ( as long as the FSB is the same) together but it usually isn't recommended. For one thing some different steppings have different default Voltages. For example a cb0 stepping might run at 1.65v whereas the default voltage for a cc0 steeping is 1.7v. Most boards wouldn't have a problem with that, but some cheap boards like the Abit VP6 have only one voltage regulator module. Consequently, if you mix these 2 on a VP6 it's too stupid to figure out what to set the voltage at and won't boot. Anyway, you'll be best advised to use CPUs of the same stepping and speed. That's all you have to match.

If I were gonna buy a new dual PIII motherboard right now I would definatley take a look at a new Tualatin capable motherboard. These will require new revisions of the chipsets in order for the Tualatins to work in them. After all, your gonna buy a motherboard anyway, So why not get one that will support future processors. The new 1.13Ghz 512K cache Tualatin could be promising in terms of performance as well as the ability to overclock.

The dual AMD platform may be promising as well, but like said before they run hot and suck lots of power and when you double them up this becomes twice as much of a concern. Also, they require a special power supply that has an additional connector on it. I'm not sure but I believe Enermax has a 650W power supply that will work. This would be about what youd need for a dual AMD system as well since they suck lots of power. The 650W enermax cost somewhere around $199 I believe. So, as you can see there are hidden cost if you go the AMD route. Another question about the dual AMD platform is it's long term stability. This is AMDs first venture into the SMP arena and they are doing things a bit differently and with a new untried and true chipset. Designing a stable smp system is a bit more complex that a single processor system and one has to wonder if there won't be a few bugs in it.
 
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