My jump from AMD to Intel

[stan03]

well doesn't that put an odd twist to the story

 

[CircuitBreaker8]

I bought an AMD A64 3200+ and I forced my little brother to buy an Intel 3.0e. AMD with an Epox ep-8kda3+ and Intel with the p4c800e - Deluxe. Everything else is the same for both systems.

The sad story was that even though the AMD had better benchmarks in most areas (not by much). the intel based system was noticeably quicker when opening up programs and even gaming screens. its so smooth even in games compared to the AMD cluncker.

Shouldn't have listen to all these guys saying that the amd was kick ***. My *** it is! Their ignorance was my loss. Don't waste your money, get something reliable. Intel all the way.

My c0 revision is at 49c after 2 hours of prime95 at stock.
code: SL79L
fpo#: L410B320

Its safe to say that the intel CPU is mine now.

thats what im trying to say! Screw benches, things are just FASTER in general.

 

[hooah]

what the hell isn't that 3.0E overclocked? Probably do 3.6! and you seem to have decent cooling as well, good memory for 1:1...dude, thats a crime, lol

 

[henesse]

lol, no im not ocing my pc yet.
my tec didnt comin yet.
im not even sure i'll be using the tec since im very happy with what i have now. I thought i'll be needing it since it's a presscot but it turned out that my cpu isnt getting hot.
i dont see the need for it.
Far cry is working like a charm on my pc.
im happy at stock for now.
however i am going to do a memroy burn in and a test OC just to see how far i could get it going.

 

[CircuitBreaker8]

Here are things I noticed to be a lot faster

*iTunes opens instantly, no more 1-2 sec delay with my old [email protected]

*Windows boot time takes 3 seconds

*Games load MUCH faster

*Enabling EAX in games doesnt hit my CPU at all

*Photoshop takes 2 seconds to load

*Listening to music no long raises cpu temp ( poor athlon cant handle mp3's )

*I no longer have a 2.5ghz cpu = P

*3Dmark03 score jumped 250 points! All game tests have a nice FPS boost

So in conclusion: P4 > AXP

 

[nealric]

I have absolutely no problem with people switching to pentiums. There are certain arieas where pentiums are certainly faster than althons of generally the same perfomrance level.

However, I feel like your reasons for favoring the pentium here arent entirely rational or based on any facts.

Listening to MP3s raises cpu temps ?!? Im not sure what proggie you use for mp3s but if im simply playing an mp3 in winamp, the readout for cpu usage is 1 or 0% and there is certainly no temp increase.

Game loading? Thats hard drive and ram dependent.


Windows boot time? I can give you whatever boot time you want. Its all about configuration.

250 3d mark pts change is almost within the margin of error. I maintain that it was a sideways step.

I think I may know the reason why it feels faster. I bet you formatted when you switched over. That would account for almost all of those things

 

[CircuitBreaker8]

Uh no, because I did format my PC 3 weeks before i got my intel rig. The athlon XP doesnt touch the p4C's, no matter how much you OC them.

 

[hooah]

If your that happy with a P4 why not get a 3.2C or 3.4C and try for 3.8-4.0Ghz instead of a A64. You've already got a P4C board, so all you'd need is the CPU. Then you could put the money saved over grabing A64 board and CPU towards other stuff. Or is the A64 meant to be another toy to play with? Having gone from a 3.0C at 3.6Ghz to my A64 3200 at 2.5Ghz I believe they are the same with the A64 having an edge in gaming, but with the dough you'd save, you could sell the 9800pro and grab a X800 which would be a kickass gaming rig with 3.8-4.0Ghz. Just an idea...

or go P4 3.2C or 3.4C and with the saved dough, get yourself some watercooling stuff and aim for 3.8-4.0Ghz with nice low temps. Could even grab a 3.2E with water cooling (would help the hot temps of Prescott chips) and it should overclock better then 3.2C I believe (Intel people could correct me if i'm wrong).

 

[CircuitBreaker8]

I was thinking about doing that. It would save me a lot of money and trouble. BTW does the abit AI7 support prescotts? Its a 865 chipset, so i dont think it does. If it does, i'll probably get a 3.2E for my birthday heh.

 

[hooah]

just editing the bottom of my above post. I donno if 865 supports prescott, but i'd look into better cooling for a prescott either way. P4 3.8Ghz is a wicked fast machine, who cares if its behind or ahead of 2.5Ghz A64...3.8Ghz is fast! 'And if your lucky, you'll hit 4.0Ghz! You've already got the ram, so depending of the MB your nearly set.

 

[Dragonprince]

Uh no, because I did format my PC 3 weeks before i got my intel rig. The athlon XP doesnt touch the p4C's, no matter how much you OC them.

And yet this goes against most all other peoples experiences, mine included, not to mention dozens if not hundreds of online reviews over the last 2-3 years.

I would not argue at all that someone like BatBoy, with his uber-overclocked P4's, is seeing great performance. Do I think there are A64 rigs just as fast, certainly. But like every other "my cpu is better than yours" thread ever posted on these forums we are getting mostly opinion, and little fact.

I chalk most of this "P4 feels faster" up to wishfull thinking and general feelings of content with a new rig. And hey, there's nothing wrong with feeling good about your rig.

I use a very nice P4 rig running Win2K at work daily and I use a nice AXP rig running WinXP at home. My AXP rig is much faster opening the files I carry back and forth, so again I say this is a lot of "opinion" and little fact. We all know, and have beaten to death, that each CPU has advantages and disadvantages depending on what software your running at any given moment. To believe otherwise is just plain ignorant.

Like I said in an earlier post, enjoy the P4 rig CircuitBreaker8. I am certainly enjoying my AXP rig, and not for nothing, but we both know we are running last years rigs and BatBoys uber-overclocked P4's not withstanding, this whole thread is still a "My Hundai is faster than your Hundai" thread.

Now were did I leave the keys to that 939 Porsche ....

 

[el]

Glad to here that you aren't leave AMD just trying out a P4 for the fun of it! I think Intel Chips are great but I don't feel that they are the same value as the AMD currently.

did you run the UT2k4 benchmark?

 

[autoMATTic]

This will be the last off-topic post in this thread. I know you all are capable of much better, please explain your opinions respectfully and prove your points using facts. No flaming or attacking. Lets get back to the topic.

Thanks for your cooperation. Play nice and enjoy.


Matt

How come when ppl disagree you sensitive ones call it bashing. Disagreeing and bashing are miles apart. Someone goes from a amd to intel, then another member says his opinion about it by saying it wasnt a good move and you says thats bashing? Gimme a break. Bashing is like saying:
"OMG your such a freaking idiot, your went from a faster computer to a slower one you moron. GEEEZ your stupid.

PS.
Your a big stupid headed moron."

I haven't really seen any bashing this whole thread. I guess disagreeing isn't allowed here. We all have to think the same way.

 

[JoT]

How come when ppl disagree you sensitive ones call it bashing. Disagreeing and bashing are miles apart. Someone goes from a amd to intel, then another member says his opinion about it by saying it wasnt a good move and you says thats bashing? Gimme a break. Bashing is like saying:
"OMG your such a freaking idiot, your went from a faster computer to a slower one you moron. GEEEZ your stupid.

PS.
Your a big stupid headed moron."

I haven't really seen any bashing this whole thread. I guess disagreeing isn't allowed here. We all have to think the same way.

This was obviously beginning to snowball into something much more than just disagreement. It's not necessary for you to question a senior after the issue has already been taken care of and the situation has been diffused. He did not even say the word 'bashing', and there is no need for an example of such; as seniors, we know what bashing is

Please leave the issue alone, and let the thread continue without further trouble.

 

[deathstar13]

just editing the bottom of my above post. I donno if 865 supports prescott, but i'd look into better cooling for a prescott either way. P4 3.8Ghz is a wicked fast machine, who cares if its behind or ahead of 2.5Ghz A64...3.8Ghz is fast! 'And if your lucky, you'll hit 4.0Ghz! You've already got the ram, so depending of the MB your nearly set.

i like your level headed thinking in your posts in this thread.

Here are things I noticed to be a lot faster
*iTunes opens instantly, no more 1-2 sec delay with my old [email protected]

*Windows boot time takes 3 seconds

*Games load MUCH faster

*Enabling EAX in games doesnt hit my CPU at all

*Photoshop takes 2 seconds to load

*Listening to music no long raises cpu temp ( poor athlon cant handle mp3's )

*I no longer have a 2.5ghz cpu = P

*3Dmark03 score jumped 250 points! All game tests have a nice FPS boost

i know your happy buts lets not exagerate here. photshop and windows dont open that fast and i know i have a faster setup than yours.but some your close on.

i went threw this same exact thread when i went intel and it seems a copy of my nightmare.i just let the thread die and go away where it belonged.

a p4 rig is an improvement over a xp accross the board.
a p4 and A64 are on same playing fields.just in differant matters and benchmarks,but a p4 is now cheaper.

later when the 939's get cheaper im sure ill move back to amd with one of those.
we just have a bunch of really confused people running around now that intel has edged amd in the price catagory.

i do notice apps and such be snappier and opening quicker.but hell i better im at 4ghz.
but even at 3ghz i could say the same.

 

[autoMATTic]

This was obviously beginning to snowball into something much more than just disagreement. It's not necessary for you to question a senior after the issue has already been taken care of and the situation has been diffused. He did not even say the word 'bashing', and there is no need for an example of such; as seniors, we know what bashing is

Please leave the issue alone, and let the thread continue without further trouble.

Hold up. "It's not necessary for you to question a senior..."? Are you serious? This goes from a forum talking about computers and overclocking to some sort of a secret society. I can't question someone or make a comment on someone's quote(more like what I did) just b/c they have more stars then me? This guy is better than me and to be held on a pedestal? I think your letting this whole rank think go to your head man.

 

[JoT]

Hold up. "It's not necessary for you to question a senior..."? Are you serious? This goes from a forum talking about computers and overclocking to some sort of a secret society. I can't question someone or make a comment on someone's quote(more like what I did) just b/c they have more stars then me? This guy is better than me and to be held on a pedestal? I think your letting this whole rank think go to your head man.

Stars do not mean anything. Rank DOES mean something if you're a senior, mod or admin. We are seniors because we have worked for the greater good of the forums for our entire stay at the forums. We have earned our titles and continue to earn them and the respect of those around us.

I did not say it was not necessary because I think that the seniors are above the regular members, I said it because it was a rational plea for the downhill conversation to stop, and YOU bashed it. Your posts in this thread are resuming the trouble that mdcomp's STOPPED. The thread starter did not intend for any of this mess to happen, and people such as yourself are not contributing to his thread in any positive way.
Now, if you would kindly cease causing further trouble in this thread, it would be appreciated. Otherwise, a mod will be called in and the entire discussion will stop.


If you want to further discuss this, you are welcome to take this to a private venue: PM, Email, or AIM. Mdcomp and I are available for discussion.

 

[mdcomp]

If you want to further discuss this, you are welcome to take this to a private venue: PM, Email, or AIM. Mdcomp and I are available for discussion.

Absolutely, I am always available to field any type of feedback or question you may have. I am here to help.

That comment before was not directed towards anyone personally, I was just trying to get things back on track.

See you around the forums!


Matt

 

[henesse]

I have both of them and i like my p4 3.0e better.
its faster and i love the way i dont have to wait for anything to open up.
almost instant and yes photoshop does open up in less than 3 sec.

 

[henesse]

This was obviously beginning to snowball into something much more than just disagreement. It's not necessary for you to question a senior after the issue has already been taken care of and the situation has been diffused. He did not even say the word 'bashing', and there is no need for an example of such; as seniors, we know what bashing is

Please leave the issue alone, and let the thread continue without further trouble.

LOL, your funny dood. im not the type that causes problems but you have some serious superiority complex. tell you the truth i dont care who ur and im sure most of the other users feel the same way. If your going to help me with something, ur going to help me. if not im sure the other guys here would love to help someone out. chill out and smoke a joint and keep ur superiority with your family.