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There are no DTR's. Merom is a true mobile part. There are a lot of problems with it and when its all said and done Conroe, the desktop part is the way to go.Super Nade said:Yes. That is correct. For example, the older AMD XP-M's were much loved chips. The way I see it, DTR's hold great overclocking potential. In my experience, the chips which achieve the max OC were the ones which had the lowest startup VID. There is no reason to posit otherwise. However, its the motherboard department which may cause problems. This may or may not be fixable with a BIOS mod. I was discussing this exact same issue with Gautam. My initial choice was to get the DTR version of the Conroe (Mermon), but he alerted me to the problems he was facing with his Dothan setup. So, a DTR may not always be the best option.
Excellent info Ross! I've added it to the main thread.
I *always* reserve the right to be wrong, but I did see that already and am sticking with what I said The last time checked, mem bandwidth is important. I was a little surprised the Merom hung that well, but you can easily see the difference in more mem-heavy tests like SPi 32M and encoding...Conroe kills it with the extra FSB. There are a couple of things that remain to be seen: full 3Ds (Merom does nicely on Cinebench though) and just what kind of a max OC Merom has compared to Conroe.Ross, you might want to re-evaluate that statement after reading this comparison between a Conroe at 370MHz FSB vs a Merom at 228MHz FSB. They are nearly identical in everything but raw memory bandwidth.
As I'm a big fan of Nvidia's chipsets I'm thinking this may be the way to go for me, unless you guys give me some input on why I shouldn't.
if (($proc == 'Core') && ($chipset == 'Intel')) {
$error = false;
$ati_cf = true;
$nv_single = true;
$sli = false; // Because NV is lame
$oc++;
$oc = bcpow($oc, 10); // raise $oc to the 10th power
} elseif (($proc == 'Core') && ($chipset == 'NVIDIA')) {
if ($current_owner == 'AMD') {
echo 'This is not AMD so NV chipsets are better suited for garbage disposals.';
}
$error = true;
$bank--;
$sli = true;
$oc = NULL;
$oc--;
$oc = ($oc-1000000);
}
You might be right, just like last time...where you might have been, still not sure though, didn't get to use netburst for long enough.Ross said:I *always* reserve the right to be wrong, but I did see that already and am sticking with what I said The last time checked, mem bandwidth is important. I was a little surprised the Merom hung that well, but you can easily see the difference in more mem-heavy tests like SPi 32M and encoding...Conroe kills it with the extra FSB. There are a couple of things that remain to be seen: full 3Ds (Merom does nicely on Cinebench though) and just what kind of a max OC Merom has compared to Conroe.
OK, I'll caveat the statement that Merom would need to clock "significantly better" than Conroe....that would really depend what you're doing with it. For "overall performance" (and probably max clocks?), Conroe is still clearly the way to go.
What did you get Gautam? I am already tired of running a billion gigahertz and getting stomped by Yonahs and Meroms at 1/2-1/3 the speed, LOL
Yeah, like they're just floating around everywhere That's my main problem with NV. SLI was doable on Intel chipsets when SLI was first released. NV specifically and purposely removed Intel chipset support from their drivers along with all the other "bugs" I guess you can't blame them since they want to sell their chipsets too, but their chipsets for Intels are a$$, yet the AMD versions work flawlessly.o where did that link go to a 975 with sli nv cards... all we need are hacked drivers....
TBH myself, I am still a little bothered Merom is that close to it, LOL. Maybe the more efficient core or the huge/shareable L2 is reducing the impact of substantial FSB increases? On P4, I guarantee you it's night and day with/without high FSB.Anyways I've said time and time again that Conroe is the obvious choice for our purposes. Merom ain't bad though.
Evilsizer said:o where did that link go to a 975 with sli nv cards... all we need are hacked drivers....
That's what I was talking about. Early SLI worked on 955 boards long before Crossfire was even out....then NV changed their drivers.they are out there, even for the 955X but no one wants to give em out
Super Nade said:Final question, to my limited knowledge Laptops are NOT LGA775 sockets, right? Therefore, Merom must be the older skt 478(?), right? That is what Gautam mentioned when he alluded to it NOT being a DTR?
Shelnutt2 said:That is correct mobiles are not socket 775, they are now (correct em if I am wrong) socket 479 (480? or was that only for the SMP version of Yohan was 480). They have 478 pins, but to keep the confusion between the old standard 478 (Northwood/Prescott), they renamed the socket 479 for the new mobile chips starting with Banis.
Possibly, the entire proc is ridiculously more efficient than P4. I just noticed that he's running different mem speeds/timings between the two tests, duh. That could be part of it on the linear mem tests. My 6400s ran real tight, but actually yielded higher bench #s at slightly looser timings. Encoding is heavily mem dependent and in turn FSB dependent, much like a big Pi.Ross, you mentioned huge shareable cache being a possible candidate for the close spacing between Conroe and Merom benchmarks. Do you think the wider pipeline also has a role to play in even-ing the playing field?
I'm still a bit puzzled by the memory access latency tests:
Conroe fall behind in the linear access tests but wins heavily in the random access tests.
With encoding, Conroe pulls ahead easily. So, encoding is really FSB dependent right?
With 3dm06, it was expected to follow cinebench although I still don't know why. I did not find any numbers for CPU cache latency in there (maybe I didn't look hard enough). It would be interesting to see if both CPU's have different cache latencies? I'm willing to bet that Merom has a lower latency which enables it to hang in there with the Conroe.
Final question, to my limited knowledge Laptops are NOT LGA775 sockets, right? Therefore, Merom must be the older skt 478(?), right? That is what Gautam mentioned when he alluded to it NOT being a DTR?