N00b's Guide to Conroe Based Performance Computing and OC Results

[Zanai]

So when Conroe is released so you think the price of current p4s, and for that matter s939 amds, will fall? Or will Conroe processors and motherboards just be out of stock for months on end and prices generally remain the same?

 

[infinitevalence]

AMD will have to reduce prices some... the question is how much, and can they afford to price match intel. ATM their dual cores are almost 2x the price of a simmilary clocked single core. Thats fine seeing as they generaly beat Intel in every test, benchmark, thermal.... This will not be the case when conroe comes out... so it remains to be seen.

 

[Zanai]

Any rough estimates on the price of Conroes compared to X2 Athlons?

 

[Ross]

I would like to request SuperNade include information about the two chipsets that will launch with Conroe, 965 and 975X. There are obviously differences, although I haven't found concrete information, but using information that I have gathered (and some common sense) the 975X will out perform the 965...

Right?

975 chipset has been out since last Dec./this Jan. so there's plenty of tech sheets on it. I haven't seen much of the 965 in that dept. yet, but chipsets pretty much dictate what technologies and standards the board will support and/or how many lanes/how wide they are. The only big differences between the 955 and 975 when it was released was support for EE Prelsers, 8x 2nd PCIe slot (955 is a max of 4x on the second slot) and support for VT...and of course anything else no specifically related to the chipset on the new boards like power phases, etc. With the 955 and 975 already being so close (and 955 boards *generally* better OCers), I don't know if I would say 975 is going to be a hands down better performer than the 965.

So when Conroe is released so you think the price of current p4s, and for that matter s939 amds, will fall? Or will Conroe processors and motherboards just be out of stock for months on end and prices generally remain the same?

Intel just had their scheduled price cut at the end of April and I think the next ones are scheduled in Sept. and again in Nov. so I very much doubt you'll see the P4s drop in price before Sept. I have no clue what AMD is going to do, if anything.

Any rough estimates on the price of Conroes compared to X2 Athlons?

*Edit: more complete list

E4200 2MB 1.60GHz 800MHz FSB Q4 $169. us

E6100 2MB 1.33GHz 1066MHz FSB Q1 2007 $149. us (35 Watts)*

E6200 2MB 1.60GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $179. us
E6300 2MB 1.86GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $209. us
E6400 2MB 2.13GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $239. us
E6500 2MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $269. us

E6600 4MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $309. us (65 Watts)
E6700 4MB 2.67GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $529. us
E6800 4MB 2.93GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $749. us
E6900 4MB 3.20GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $969. us

Intel Conroe XE 65nm Dual Core
E8000 4MB 3.33GHz 1333MHz FSB Q4 $1199. us (95 Watts)

 

[Zanai]

Thanks ... generally between $100-200 dollars more for an X2 of same speed then?

 

[infinitevalence]

E4200 2MB 1.60GHz 800MHz FSB Q4 $169. us

E6100 2MB 1.33GHz 1066MHz FSB Q1 2007 $149. us (35 Watts)*

E6200 2MB 1.60GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $179. us
E6300 2MB 1.86GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $209. us
E6400 2MB 2.13GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $239. us
E6500 2MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $269. us

E6600 4MB 2.40GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $309. us (65 Watts)
E6700 4MB 2.67GHz 1066MHz FSB Q3 $529. us
E6800 4MB 2.93GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $749. us
E6900 4MB 3.20GHz 1066MHz FSB Q4 $969. us

Intel Conroe XE 65nm Dual Core
E8000 4MB 3.33GHz 1333MHz FSB Q4 $1199. us (95 Watts)

Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2MB 2.4GHz $671 (Energy Efficient*)
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2MB 2.4GHz $645
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 1MB 2.4GHz $601 (Energy Efficient)
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 1MB 2.4GHz $558
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2MB 2.2GHz $514 (Energy Efficient)
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2MB 2.2GHz $470
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 1MB 2.2GHz $417 (Energy Efficient)
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 1MB 2.2GHz $365
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ 2MB 2.0GHz $353 (Energy Efficient)
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 1MB 2.0GHz $303
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 1MB 2.0GHz $364 (Energy Efficient Small Form Factor**)
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 1MB 2.0GHz $323 (Energy Efficient)

*65 watt TDP
**35 watt TDP

Based on benches i have seen so far i think an E6400 2MB 2.13GHz ~= X2 4600+ 1MB 2.4GHz

 

[Super Nade]

Good information guys. Remember that if you wish to give props, pat yourself on the back. I'm learning from you guys.

BWR, I'm looking up the specs on the 975 chipset. I can't find anything on the 965 (yet).

 

[greenmaji]

965 is going to have the new southbridge (ICH8R ????), it looks to have some nice features IMHO

 

[thegreek]

bump for others to see

 

[Schlotkins]

Any idea when these 965 boards are going to hit the street? I assume 985 boards will be out probably in Q4...

Thanks,
Chris

 

[greenmaji]

The only shread of news on google seems to say Q2.. so that would be sometime before the end of June.

 

[Ross]

Woodcrest (server version of Conroe) is due in June. There is a Q965 board (server version of 965) and would expect it will be released with Woodcrest. I don't know if that means P965/G965 (retail versions) will be released at the same time or not, but I'd expect to at least start seeing them by the end of June if not with the Woodcrest. Yeah, 985 will probably just be released with the Conroe XE in Q4.

 

[Zanai]

You would have thought motherboard manufacters would be pushing and adverting conroe boards by now ... the fact they arent is kind of worrying

 

[Evilsizer]

You would have thought motherboard manufacters would be pushing and adverting conroe boards by now ... the fact they arent is kind of worrying

no its not.... conroe isnt out yet... what would be the point? the more time they spend on working out any bios bugs the better. they should never rush a product to market without testing.

 

[Zanai]

Didnt mean it like that ... just normally they have advertising up ready (like asus with the am2s)

 

[Ross]

Conroe boards were shown as early as cebit (early March) and if you dig through the Asus mobo section, I started a thread for the Asus P5B Deluxe (P965). They are out there, but I wouldn't plan to see any til Woodcrest/Conroe is actually released, especially 975 boards. Originally, Conroe was supposed to be released at the end of the year and while mobo manufacturers have Conroe boards ready, they'll want to put them off as long as possible and push as many non-Conroe boards out the door as they can before they are "forced" to offer Conroe boards. They will probably need to eat whatever non-Conroe boards are left in stock after thatm so I am not surprised they aren't being avertised heavily or at all yet.

 

[Evilsizer]

true ross but then at the same time since they have to eat those costs. We will more then likely pay higher prices for conroe boards. this higher pricing mobo trend is starting to bother me. i remember when you could get the ai7 for $100 and was a great ocer. Now it seems you have to spend about $125+ for a good board. while its not much consider if the prices keep going up in this way. low end board will cost $200 with high end being who knows.
*edit*
im refering to ocing boards.

 

[greenmaji]

Im really hopeing that motherboard manifactures were smart enough to reilize the i975X motherboards were not going to sell extreamly well, the diffence between them and the i955X boards for the price diffence was little insentive for most people to buy IMHO.

 

[Ross]

Agreed on both. Prices started to get out of hand on 925 boards and 955 boards pretty much nailed it. There actually weren't very many 975 boards (ASUS, Gigabyte, Intel) when the chipset was released. I am guessing many either planned to wait for Conroe or really didn't think enough would sell since it wasn't much of an upgrade over 955.

It would really sicken me to see enthusiast boards start coming in like $275-300, but that's exactly where the P5WD2-E and Giga 975 boards were. Features are ever-increasing, but personally, I'd rather have them leave out a PCI slot and/or take off the 2nd LAN to drop the price. From the looks of even the P5B Deluxe (965), it's going to have to pretty much everything and 8-phase power, so I am doubting it will be much cheaper than the 975 -E board, if at all. proth could be right and in 1-2 years time we may be looking at $175 procs and $500 mobos instead of the other way around. What would really suck is $500 procs and $500 mobos

 

[greenmaji]

Proth's idea's stem from the lack of a hypertransport type chip, Intel may move to this arch with neham