Hi,
First, just let me mention I am new here, and that I tend to keep my machines for rather long, so my previous build was 7 years ago (yep, you read that right). What this means is that I don't have much experience with the current generation of components, but I believe (at least I did when picking the components) that what I have built should be a good machine for my needs. And that is to have a solid, good performing workstation at a reasonable price. No gaming, but quite a bit of 3D CAD, and a bit of programming. And I tend to use virtual machines quite a bit for all kinds of testing.
So, here's a list of the components:
Asus Sabertooth Mark 1 Z170
i7 6700k
BeQuiet Pure Rock
32 GB (2 kits) of Corsair Vengeance CMK16GX4M.
GTX1050ti (Asus Expedition)
Intel 600P M.2 512 GB (mounted in the slot on the MB itself)
Seagate Firecuda 2TB 3.5" SSHD (ST2000DX002)
WD Black 1 TB (from the old computer)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2
Fractal Design Define R5 (using only the two stock fans it came with).
After putting it together (which was a week ago), the first I did was to update the bios to the latest version (3007). I have no intention of pushing this (obviously, with just a medium class CPU cooler), but I entered BIOS and changed the Ai overclock tuner to XMP to get the RAM up to speed. I didn't change much else in the BIOS, I mostly left stuff at Auto. I did enable the virtualization settings though (VT-x and VT-d).
Then I did a clean install of Win10 pro (on the SSD, obviously), and ran a number of tests and benchmarks (but not for any long time). I actually repeated this two more times (for various reasons, and I also wanted to try the Windows reset mechanism), but after the third clean install of Windows I decided it was ready to take over the duty, so at that point I removed the drives from my old machine, and temporarily copied the data over. One of the drives from the old machine went into the new machine permanently.
Then I started using the machine, and here's the problem: I have random freezes where it totally locks up. No BSOD, nothing in the event log, reset button doesn't work. Holding the power button for a few seconds turns it off, though. This has happened 4 or 5 times now, with no apparent cause. In fact, most of the freezes has been almost at idle, or at least at a light load. Those are the worst kind of problems, and makes me distrust the machine for doing anything valuable.
To investigate, I did play around a bit more with benchmarks, and I noticed that the CPU was given around 1.3V at load, so I tried setting it to adaptive 1.2V in the BIOS. This caused the max temp to drop during Prime 95 v 26.6 small FFTs, to somewhere just below 70 degrees on all cores (it would get closer to 80 degrees before). However, I still got a freeze some time later (not during any benchmarking), so I knew I still had an issue.
Then I tried removing Ai Suite 3 (which I had read could cause issues), and I had to really hunt down all the crap it leaves behind everywhere. I hate ****ty software withe a vengeance, how hard can it be to do a proper cleanup in the uninstaller?
That made me do some work with Q-fan in the bios, and that's also quite crappy, changing unrelated settings without warning, so to get things to stick I have to save and reboot back into bios quite often. I should also mention that trying to run the fan optimizer doesn't work. It gets to 99 or 100%, and then locks up. I even tried resetting the bios to factory defaults before running it, still doesn't work. I've read that's a known problem on other Asus boards as well, so I'm just doing it all manually.
I have also tried running Memtest86 over night, no errors.
I've run Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool, no errors.
The only time I've had a freeze during benchmarking was with OCCT (large data set), and after that happened, I went back into bios and reset everything to defaults, then changing back to XMP and the few other settings I had changed. At that point I noticed that when choosing the XMP profile, there's a box asking if you want the Intel stock settings or some Asus optimized settings. The first time I answered yes (to get Asus optimized settings), but this last time I chose no, to get the Intel stock settings. This was last night, and the computer has been running solid now for some 18 hours, but what I have noticed is that now it very seldom goes to turbo boost. Under load it stays at 4 GHz, under light load it sometimes goes to 4.2 GHz, but only very briefly. With the Asus optimized settings (choosing Yes after setting XMP) it went to 4.2 GHz under load, and stayed there. I also set the CPU voltage to 1.2 V manual (was 1.2 V adaptive).
I have just recently had it running OCCT for 3.5 hours (stopped it before posting this) without issues, so I kinda hope it has been fixed, but I don't like that it almost doesn't use turbo. That could be the key also, but if so, does it mean I really lost in the silicon lottery?
Even if it might be possible that the problem did go away, I'm posting it to have the opinions of more experienced guys in here. What more info would should I provide? I've attached the bios settings text file that did give me freezes (the current settings I will have to reboot and export to get). Anything obviously stupid in there?
Thanks for any insight you may provide. But please don't suggest reinstalling Windows, as I have already spent a lot of time transferring data and installing stuff I need from the old computer.
First, just let me mention I am new here, and that I tend to keep my machines for rather long, so my previous build was 7 years ago (yep, you read that right). What this means is that I don't have much experience with the current generation of components, but I believe (at least I did when picking the components) that what I have built should be a good machine for my needs. And that is to have a solid, good performing workstation at a reasonable price. No gaming, but quite a bit of 3D CAD, and a bit of programming. And I tend to use virtual machines quite a bit for all kinds of testing.
So, here's a list of the components:
Asus Sabertooth Mark 1 Z170
i7 6700k
BeQuiet Pure Rock
32 GB (2 kits) of Corsair Vengeance CMK16GX4M.
GTX1050ti (Asus Expedition)
Intel 600P M.2 512 GB (mounted in the slot on the MB itself)
Seagate Firecuda 2TB 3.5" SSHD (ST2000DX002)
WD Black 1 TB (from the old computer)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2
Fractal Design Define R5 (using only the two stock fans it came with).
After putting it together (which was a week ago), the first I did was to update the bios to the latest version (3007). I have no intention of pushing this (obviously, with just a medium class CPU cooler), but I entered BIOS and changed the Ai overclock tuner to XMP to get the RAM up to speed. I didn't change much else in the BIOS, I mostly left stuff at Auto. I did enable the virtualization settings though (VT-x and VT-d).
Then I did a clean install of Win10 pro (on the SSD, obviously), and ran a number of tests and benchmarks (but not for any long time). I actually repeated this two more times (for various reasons, and I also wanted to try the Windows reset mechanism), but after the third clean install of Windows I decided it was ready to take over the duty, so at that point I removed the drives from my old machine, and temporarily copied the data over. One of the drives from the old machine went into the new machine permanently.
Then I started using the machine, and here's the problem: I have random freezes where it totally locks up. No BSOD, nothing in the event log, reset button doesn't work. Holding the power button for a few seconds turns it off, though. This has happened 4 or 5 times now, with no apparent cause. In fact, most of the freezes has been almost at idle, or at least at a light load. Those are the worst kind of problems, and makes me distrust the machine for doing anything valuable.
To investigate, I did play around a bit more with benchmarks, and I noticed that the CPU was given around 1.3V at load, so I tried setting it to adaptive 1.2V in the BIOS. This caused the max temp to drop during Prime 95 v 26.6 small FFTs, to somewhere just below 70 degrees on all cores (it would get closer to 80 degrees before). However, I still got a freeze some time later (not during any benchmarking), so I knew I still had an issue.
Then I tried removing Ai Suite 3 (which I had read could cause issues), and I had to really hunt down all the crap it leaves behind everywhere. I hate ****ty software withe a vengeance, how hard can it be to do a proper cleanup in the uninstaller?
That made me do some work with Q-fan in the bios, and that's also quite crappy, changing unrelated settings without warning, so to get things to stick I have to save and reboot back into bios quite often. I should also mention that trying to run the fan optimizer doesn't work. It gets to 99 or 100%, and then locks up. I even tried resetting the bios to factory defaults before running it, still doesn't work. I've read that's a known problem on other Asus boards as well, so I'm just doing it all manually.
I have also tried running Memtest86 over night, no errors.
I've run Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool, no errors.
The only time I've had a freeze during benchmarking was with OCCT (large data set), and after that happened, I went back into bios and reset everything to defaults, then changing back to XMP and the few other settings I had changed. At that point I noticed that when choosing the XMP profile, there's a box asking if you want the Intel stock settings or some Asus optimized settings. The first time I answered yes (to get Asus optimized settings), but this last time I chose no, to get the Intel stock settings. This was last night, and the computer has been running solid now for some 18 hours, but what I have noticed is that now it very seldom goes to turbo boost. Under load it stays at 4 GHz, under light load it sometimes goes to 4.2 GHz, but only very briefly. With the Asus optimized settings (choosing Yes after setting XMP) it went to 4.2 GHz under load, and stayed there. I also set the CPU voltage to 1.2 V manual (was 1.2 V adaptive).
I have just recently had it running OCCT for 3.5 hours (stopped it before posting this) without issues, so I kinda hope it has been fixed, but I don't like that it almost doesn't use turbo. That could be the key also, but if so, does it mean I really lost in the silicon lottery?
Even if it might be possible that the problem did go away, I'm posting it to have the opinions of more experienced guys in here. What more info would should I provide? I've attached the bios settings text file that did give me freezes (the current settings I will have to reboot and export to get). Anything obviously stupid in there?
Thanks for any insight you may provide. But please don't suggest reinstalling Windows, as I have already spent a lot of time transferring data and installing stuff I need from the old computer.
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