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OCFreely101

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I'm using linux with fedora 32. I just installed this drive. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H2RR55Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I bought it from this site and it says it's new....



Not sure if this isn't some weird visual glitch or not. This is even after doing a ATA enhanced secure erase during formatting and it did nothing. I haven't done the longer full erase yet. I started it but it said 15 days or more and I did the faster one in around 4 hours. (BTW, I don't really know what an ATA enhance security erase is. I just did it because it was faster and there.)


I also have less performance than the disk says it should produce. I was expecting near this: https://hdd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/466743/ST2000DM008-2FR102

https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/3-5-barracudaDS1900-7-1706US-en_US.pdf
https://www.cnet.com/products/seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-hard-drive-2-tb-sata-6gb-s/

I'm getting more around 120 mb/s read in a benchmark with gnome utility disks and around 60 write. That is not was the disk advertises or what seagates own data says it reads and writes too. I'm getting around 45-50mb/s in actual transfer with writes to the drive.


Even the access times are double what is advertised. I can't figure out what is going on. How do they get away with this?!

Gnome disk utility also doesn't have access to smart data. The data sheet says it's smart compliant.


write cache is enabled also.

Code:
sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdh
smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-linux-5.7.9-200.fc32.x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     ST2000DM008-2FR102
Serial Number:    ZFL2ADCF
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 0c61a68b3
Firmware Version: 0001
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 1.5 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Fri Jul 24 05:26:02 2020 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00) Offline data collection activity
                                        was never started.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever 
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection:                (    0) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        No Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 203) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x30a5) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   080   069   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       96759926
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       1
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   064   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       2543861
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       11 (34 249 0)
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       1
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       3
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   067   065   040    Old_age   Always       -       33 (Min/Max 27/35)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       63
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   033   040   000    Old_age   Always       -       33 (0 27 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   080   069   000    Old_age   Always       -       96759926
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   196   000    Old_age   Always       -       86
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       10 (109 78 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       4435605976
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       23630208

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

SATA Version is: SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 1.5 Gb/s)

Is this signifigant? It's plugged into a board with 6gb sata support. Maybe I need to change the data cable. Why would that be set to 1.5gb/?

Code:
sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdh

/dev/sdh:

ATA device, with non-removable media
        Model Number:       ST2000DM008-2FR102                      
        Serial Number:      ZFL2ADCF
        Firmware Revision:  0001    
        Transport:          Serial, ATA8-AST, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions, SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6, SATA Rev 3.0
Standards:
        Used: unknown (minor revision code 0x006d) 
        Supported: 10 9 8 7 6 5 
        Likely used: 10
Configuration:
        Logical         max     current
        cylinders       16383   16383
        heads           16      16
        sectors/track   63      63
        --
        CHS current addressable sectors:    16514064
        LBA    user addressable sectors:   268435455
        LBA48  user addressable sectors:  3907029168
        Logical  Sector size:                   512 bytes
        Physical Sector size:                  4096 bytes
        Logical Sector-0 offset:                  0 bytes
        device size with M = 1024*1024:     1907729 MBytes
        device size with M = 1000*1000:     2000398 MBytes (2000 GB)
        cache/buffer size  = unknown
        Form Factor: 3.5 inch
        Nominal Media Rotation Rate: 7200
Capabilities:
        LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
        Queue depth: 32
        Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum
        R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16  Current = 16
        Advanced power management level: 128
        Recommended acoustic management value: 208, current value: 208
        DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 udma6 
             Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
        PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
             Cycle time: no flow control=120ns  IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
        Enabled Supported:
           *    SMART feature set
                Security Mode feature set
           *    Power Management feature set
           *    Write cache
           *    Look-ahead
           *    Host Protected Area feature set
           *    WRITE_BUFFER command
           *    READ_BUFFER command
           *    DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
           *    Advanced Power Management feature set
                Power-Up In Standby feature set
           *    SET_FEATURES required to spinup after power up
                SET_MAX security extension
           *    48-bit Address feature set
           *    Mandatory FLUSH_CACHE
           *    FLUSH_CACHE_EXT
           *    SMART error logging
           *    SMART self-test
           *    General Purpose Logging feature set
           *    WRITE_{DMA|MULTIPLE}_FUA_EXT
           *    64-bit World wide name
                Write-Read-Verify feature set
           *    WRITE_UNCORRECTABLE_EXT command
           *    {READ,WRITE}_DMA_EXT_GPL commands
           *    Segmented DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
           *    unknown 119[6]
           *    Gen1 signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
           *    Gen2 signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
           *    Gen3 signaling speed (6.0Gb/s)
           *    Native Command Queueing (NCQ)
           *    Host-initiated interface power management
           *    Phy event counters
           *    READ_LOG_DMA_EXT equivalent to READ_LOG_EXT
           *    DMA Setup Auto-Activate optimization
                Device-initiated interface power management
           *    Software settings preservation
                unknown 78[7]
           *    SMART Command Transport (SCT) feature set
           *    SCT Write Same (AC2)
           *    SCT Data Tables (AC5)
                unknown 206[7]
                unknown 206[12] (vendor specific)
                unknown 206[13] (vendor specific)
           *    DOWNLOAD MICROCODE DMA command
           *    Data Set Management TRIM supported (limit 8 blocks)
Security: 
        Master password revision code = 65534
                supported
        not     enabled
        not     locked
        not     frozen
        not     expired: security count
                supported: enhanced erase
        204min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 204min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
Logical Unit WWN Device Identifier: 5000c500c61a68b3
        NAA             : 5
        IEEE OUI        : 000c50
        Unique ID       : 0c61a68b3
Checksum: correct

Code:
sudo hdparm -i /dev/sdh

/dev/sdh:

 Model=ST2000DM008-2FR102, FwRev=0001, SerialNo=ZFL2ADCF
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=unknown, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=3907029168
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 udma6 
 AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: unknown:  ATA/ATAPI-4,5,6,7

 * signifies the current active mode

Is this important: Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }

It's different from all my other drives.
 
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David

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Welcome to the forums :)

Ext4 will use a portion of the filesystem for journalling/etc. so it's normal to see it use a fraction of the empty drive (here it looks like 5%).

You can re-format with a lower number of inodes per unit space (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ext4) if you know that you will be storing a smaller number of larger files on the drive.

Where are you copying data/from to when you write to/read from the drive at 45 - 50 mbytes/sec?

Can you list specifications for the machine that it is connected to?
 
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OCFreely101

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It was around 40 gigs of old KSP games with ships and whatnot(Whole game folders and ships folders seperated for backup.). The system is basically just games and random normal computer stuff.

Is there a best file system for a drive like this(it's SMR I think.). I guess I'm not used to large disks. All my others are 250gb. I'm a bit behind on tech.

And wow, I could use a spare disk just for independent journalling if it's possible. didn't know it could get that big. Or that it was even on the disk itself. I thought There were just journal pages on the main disk for errors.

Specs;

OS: Fedora 32
Cpu: Phenom II 1100T
GPU: 1060 3gb
Mobo: GA-970-D3
Ram: 16gb(4x4gb)
SSD: 850 pro Samsung
RAid: raid 10 x6 250gb disks(3xWDBlues,2xRe4's,1xOld seagate.). Soon to be all Re4s(I know old.)(transferring from this)
New Storage: Seagate ST2000DM008 Barracuda 2TB (2018)

Last benchmark on the raid was 115 mb/s read with just under 12 msec average access time.

Maybe my raid is actually efficient and that old seagate is holding back performance.... I was assuming it wasn't being accessed necessarily. Don't know how raids work enough. I know it's a raid 10 with 6 disks, 128m chunk size, and near 2, but I don't understand what that translates to yet. My brain hasn't quite turned over on that one yet.

Edit: Actually I'm getting 54-64mb/s. Maybe it's limited by the seagate. I'm transfering data over to the drive to put the new drives in the raid to be safe. The seagate is the first one going to test performance.
 
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trents

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Dec 27, 2008
Don't confuse advertised burst rates with large file transfer rates. The burst rate is very short lived and drops dramatically as soon as the drive's cache buffer is emptied. Also, transfer rates can vary significantly depending on the typed of data or the content of the file. Some files, like text files, "squeeze down" a lot a move fast. Typically, disk manufacturers will advertise numbers that are reflective of ideal conditions rather than what we experience in real life computing. I would expect in real life computing you would see 50 to 100 mbps.
 

Automata

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Code:
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   080   069   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       96759926
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   064   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       2543861
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   080   069   000    Old_age   Always       -       96759926
These values are worrying and indicate a hard drive is about to fail. You could try to change the cable and controller, but the "Hardware_ECC_Recovered" is within the hard drive itself. I would advise to RMA or return the drive.
 
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OCFreely101

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It's supposed to be a new drive... I read something that it can be ignored in seagate drives. Or is it an old drive?

Would this sort of drive be faster?: https://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Seagate-FireCuda-SSHD-2TB-2016/Rating/3903

This is what I was originally looking at. But the userbench results were better. I mistakenly thought they were both SSHD drives. Not sure if those are faster in real world or not. What is the fastest 2tb drive that is within the price range of hdds?

Code:
sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdh

smartctl 7.1 2019-12-30 r5022 [x86_64-linux-5.7.9-200.fc32.x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-19, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     ST2000DM008-2FR102
Serial Number:    ZFL2ADCF
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 0c61a68b3
Firmware Version: 0001
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 1.5 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Fri Jul 24 16:40:47 2020 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00) Offline data collection activity
                                        was never started.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever 
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection:                (    0) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        No Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 203) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x30a5) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   067   067   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       4589982
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       2
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   065   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       2894670
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       20 (244 53 0)
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       2
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       3
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   067   065   040    Old_age   Always       -       33 (Min/Max 28/34)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       77
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   033   040   000    Old_age   Always       -       33 (0 27 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   067   067   000    Old_age   Always       -       4589982
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   196   000    Old_age   Always       -       411
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       17 (0 176 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       4835773184
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       25919417

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

Some of those numbers have changed also. Not sure what they mean though.
 
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Automata

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It's supposed to be a new drive... I read something that it can be ignored in seagate drives.
Most drive failures occur shortly after the drive is made. If there are manufacturing problems or it is damaged in shipping, the drive will likely fail fast. I don't know where you read those values can be ignored, but the values are tracked by the drive for diagnostic reasons and gives early signs of drive failure. This one appears to be failing. I stand by my recommendation to return/RMA it immediately.