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ketchup318

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hi, i've been a long time intel fan, and i'm finally going to upgrade my computer again
i was thinking about going AMD this time to try it out cause people say it's a better 'bang for the buck'. I've been doing my homework on this and it seems like the barton core is better in most opinions.

1.) how does this stack up to the athlon xp? I was thinking about both of them as 2800+ 333 FSB

2.)the barton 2800 is running at 2.083Ghz with a 333 FSB it's about $220. An intel for the same price gets you between a 2.6Ghz and 2.8Ghz with a 533 FSB. How does this compare?

3.) Also what is a good motherboard for a barton? Something good, reliable and not to pricey, and is PC3500 good enough for RAM?

Thanks a lot, i need this info from you guys to make up my mind on what to buy.
 
2.)the barton 2800 is running at 2.083Ghz with a 333 FSB it's about $220. An intel for the same price gets you between a 2.6Ghz and 2.8Ghz with a 533 FSB. How does this compare?

And you allready have the intel board? Heck,for the same money, i'd go with the 2.8 and 533 bus....
 
I like the 2500+ im at sig below and next week im going to 2.2

I got it off ebay for 115.00


Good luck!!
 
Personally, you could grab a Tbred B 1700 DLT3C (1.5v rather than 1.65) for much cheaper and overclock it to 2.2-2.5GHz

Or, a little safer bet is a Tbred B 2100 and overclock it to 2.3-2.5GHz

That 2800 you listed will perform on par with the 2.8GHz P4 in most benches, beat it in some and lose in others. On the whole though, I'd say they're pretty even up.

As for a mobo, check out either the Abit NF7-S or the EPoX 8RDA+. Both are very reasonable and are powered by the nForce 2 chipset which is the fastest AMD solution available. PC3500 RAM will work just fine in these boards provided it's not Kingston Hyper X (which will have compatibility issues with the NF7)

~THT
 
If you want a good dirt cheap motherboard (with a great chipset however, still the nforce2), go with the soltek 75FRN2-L. Whatever you do, if you go AMD, make sure you get an nforce2 board.

As processors go, I'd get the 2500+ or 1700+ instead of the 2800+. Seemingly most people with their bartons can just bump the multiplier to get at least a 2800+ at default voltage or very close to. A lot of people get to better than 3000+ levels out of both the 2500+ or 1700+ (well, 1700+ maybe a little less overall performance because of the smaller cache...)
 
so you're all saying that even with a lower fsb and lower clock frequencies, the chip will perform just as well as the P4's ie
barton 2800+ == p4 2.8 ghz 533 fsb (about)
 
Pretty much. The best description I have ever heard about the difference between AMD and Intel is this:

Lets say there is a big pile of rocks, and they need to be moved to a different area. If the P4's job was to move them, it would take 1 rock at a time and run it as fast as it could to the other location. The AMD on the other hand, would grab as many rocks as it could carry, and take a little less time to get it to the other location. They would finish the task at about the same time, but would have used different methods of getting there.

They will probably perform about the same, the AMD will win in some categories, and the P4 will win in others. But for the money toward all the components, you are better goin to AMD for their price/performance ratio.

I would suggest, if you decide to in fact go to AMD that is, a Barton (if you want the extra 5% increase in performance of the 512k L2 cache) preferably the 2500+. IF you want to be a little cheaper, you can get one of the 1700 DLT3C t'bred B's and take it to 2.3-2.5 Ghz, which according to Sandra performs on par with the 3.06Ghz P4. Also go with an nForce2 chipset board. The best two of these boards that are supporting the highest overclocks are the Abit NF7-S, and the EPoX 8RDA (I think that's the model). You will also want to invest in some good pc3200 or pc3500 so that you will be able to attain high FSB frequencies with that CPU.

Lastly, make sure that you have a good PSU, a Sparkle, Enermax, or Antec, and a good heatsink/fan to support the high temps of these chips. The Thermalright SK-6, SLK800, or SLK900 all seem to be performing very well with a fan that can push upwards of 50CFM of air, and some good general case ventilation.

Hope this helped a little, and if you decide to go to AMD (a wise choice if you ask me), be sure to keep us updated with the stuff you buy, and you overclocking.

Oh, and WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!
 
Personally I'd go with the P4 2.4C 800fsb - Googlegear has them for $229 and pickup a dual ddr board. That gets you a nice OC to at least 3.3gig and possibly as high as 3.5. That will put you slightly higher than anything you can get from the AMD side short of using a Vapochill for overclocking. I had a 2800+ Barton for a little while and the best I could overclock it to was 2400MHz on an A7N8X. That put it roughly on par with my stock P4 3.06. If you're not as concerned with raw performance and want to save some money then go with a lower grade XP.
 
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