It's a grey area, SUPPOSEDLY it's not turned on in PCs without copilot BUT it's installed, you can't remove it without breaking windows (they will make sure of it), and there's at least one service running in the background in every PC, ALWAYS, which the command I posted turns off at least temporarily.
They did lie, they made it a part of every system which was not supposed to happen (remember, copilot only), and in my opinion the only reason it's not fully running in the background is EU laws which would allow M$ to be sued into oblivion. Hence these "ghost" changes that users are not supposed to know about.
Hopefully ShutUp10 or an ISO change/powershell command can fully deal with this in the future
This Chris Titus guy has a script that supposedly gets rid of it and essentially reverts everything to how it was in 23H42.
I don't know if his script only works on new installs, though...
The problem I foresee is that I don't know if future updates would just destroy Windows if it discovers that recall isn't there.
Hell... I'm in Europe. I own a legit copy of Windows that I bought not so long ago... Maybe I should just call my lawyer and tell her I need some of that Microsoft money...
@mackerel ⇾ DDR5 as a minimum requirement might be a good way to stop it from activating even if you have an NPU, most peeps are still on DDR4 and below for now, but not sure how that's going to be enforceable though
Copilot: A free AI service that is part of having a Microsoft account.
Copilot Pro: Costs $20 a user per month and provides additional AI perks.
Copilot+: A range of next-gen AI features installed on Copilot+ PCs (AI PCs with Windows).
Copilot+ requirements
A compatible processor or System on a Chip (SoC). This currently includes the Snapdragon® X Plus and the Snapdragon® X Elite. We will update this list periodically as more options become available.
16 gigabytes (BG) DDR5/LPDDR5
256GB SSD/UFS
40+ trillion operations per second NPU
How is Microsoft Copilot+ different from Copilot?
Copilot is an AI assistant that can be used to generate text and imagery on a distant server (via the cloud) after being given a text prompt. You can get additional perks by paying for Copilot Pro. Meanwhile, Copilot+ runs various AI tasks locally on your AI PC and integrates them into various programs and services. Just note that Copilot+ AI features can only be accessed on an AI PC with an NPU capable of 40 TOPS or higher.
Copilot is largely an AI assistant that does your bidding on distant servers. The base option is free, but those who pay for a Copilot Pro subscription gain priority access to GPT-4 and GPT-4 Turbo. This subscription also allows you to generate 100 images with Designer and integrates Copilot within Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook.
As for Copilot+, this is more of a range of AI capabilities that are only possible on an AI PC. To be clear, Copilot+ is not its own service in the same way that Copilot is, but rather various AI capabilities that are tied into other programs.
@rainless ⇾ Problem with the script is that it will require a recode every single time Windows gets an update because they will fix the dependencies, and that will likely break more than it fixes, why i was hoping for a "toggle" or a recall-free install
It's for content creators, fine, we understand and kudos for them, but it still shouldn't be mandatory for the rest of the users (which is a vast majority). M$ would likely make more money if they came up with a "Gamer" version of Windows? Lite, clean, no telemetry or useless bloatware, just the bare essentials for gaming and everyday stuff? Everything else you need could become an addon/DLC you pay for and download from them. We would likely complain about DLCs, but at least it's a language we clearly understand and would show they actually listened for once...
Now this is interesting, run windows on a boot 64gb nvme/ssd/partition, and you're sorted
Well it's pretty clear they're just going to do what Adobe is doing. Sure they SAY the data "stays on your machine." but that doesn't mean they can't read it from there and use it to train their AI models WITHOUT actually copying files to a remote server...
@mackerel ⇾ DDR5 as a minimum requirement might be a good way to stop it from activating even if you have an NPU, most peeps are still on DDR4 and below for now, but not sure how that's going to be enforceable though
Copilot+ requirements
A compatible processor or System on a Chip (SoC). This currently includes the Snapdragon® X Plus and the Snapdragon® X Elite. We will update this list periodically as more options become available.
16 gigabytes (BG) DDR5/LPDDR5
256GB SSD/UFS
40+ trillion operations per second NPU
If memory serves me correctly Nvidia has said Copilot+ will be coming to their dGPUs this year. I don't know the reasoning but I'd guess MS gave QC a timed exclusive on the feature. NV dGPU as well as recent AMD/Intel mobile offerings will also get it. Once that happens, all but ancient or true potato gaming systems could have the TOPS for it. So my guess is they'll update the requirements at that time. I'm guessing they only wrote DDR5 since that's been around for 3 years now. Will be interesting to see if they actually bother to detect and block DDR4 systems with otherwise compatible NV GPUs once that is released. My gut feel is no.
I'm not a gaming enthusiast, so Linux is where I'll go after Windows 10 EOL.
There are also some 3rd parties supplying security updates for the MS abandoned windows 10 OS until 2029. We'll see how expensive and how secure those updates really are.
No matter what MS does, gamers don't have a big choice unless they go with modified installers. I bet we will see some of those soon as every stupid MS idea meets the modded Windows installer answer.
So does all of this tracking happen even if I never launch/sign in to CoPilot as an App? Especially considering they're already talking about sunsetting 10 and all of the AI integrations in 12, this is potentially a real issue for private PC use. Work laptop, sure. But I don't need all of my everything infinitely tracked...
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