Newbie help

[dasilva333]

Hi again guys, i succesfully overclocked my first system P200 to 233 hehe, so im very enthutiastic in overclocking another of mines, i checked the motherboard and i can safely say that i think it supports overclocking it had a chart like this:
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CPU/Frequency| JP3 | JP4 | JP5 |
----------------|----- |-----|-----|
Intel 66/100/133| OFF |OFF | ON |
===============|====|
Gobi 66 || ON | ON | OFF |
=======|====|===|====|
Gobi 100 | ON | OFF |OFF |
=======|====|===|====|
Gobi 133 | OFF | X | OFF|
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my system is a Celeron 633/66 FSB i got 192 RAM the powersupply is 300W and the motherboard is a compaq what i want to know is for me to change the current speed 66 to 100 or 133 i will just have to change those settings right? if so that leads me to my next question what is X how do i set it to X and why is there not little plastic thingies rather than little metal squares and circles that look like this:
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| O | [ ] | JP5
| O | [ ] | JP4
| O | [ ] | JP3
| O | [ ] | JP2
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[Monaco]

hi dasilva, welcome to the forums!

looks like you should be able to bump your system up to a 100mhz frontside bus from that first picture. nice ASCII art BTW Just move the jumper from 66 to 100.

you will be pretty lucky to get it to run at that speed tho- it will be running at 950mhz and will probably need a voltage boost, something a compaq board definately cannot do. You'll also need to ensure proper cooling- the chip will make quite a lot more heat when overclocked, and the stock cooler will probably not get the job done.

It looks like from your picture that your board does not actually have those jumper installed on it, is that what you are saying?

 

[dasilva333]

ok

thanks for the compliment im already planning on buying a great heatsink and fan for the system i just need to know HOW to set it to 100 mhz btw what do u mean by the voltage thing?

 

[Monaco]

by voltage i mean the CPU's vocre voltage or vcore. TO keep it stabel when you've overclocked it you usually need to raise the vcore by a little bit-sometimes a lot you'd need a good motherboard to do that- just about all enthusiast's boards allow this. If you really want to get into it, you'll need to upgrade away from that compaq board!

As for changing jumpers, it should be a little plastic cap covering 2 out of 3 metal pins. To change the jumper, just slide it off and replace it onto the other pair of pins.

from
[1] [2] 3
to
1[2] [3]

your art is better than mine lol

 

[dasilva333]

ok

ok i know i need to worry about vcore now, but as i described in the ascii pic there aren't any plastic thingies with pins, thats how i overclocked my first one but its not the case here, instead its square and circle bumps made out of metal on the mobo (like in the pic)

 

[Monaco]

ok, i understand now. your board is simply missing those jumpers- an easy way from compaq to keep you messing up your PC- in their eyes, anyway.

what you will have to do is get out the soldering iron and clear all the contacts of solder, as they are probably bridged closed with a big glob to make the settings uber-permanent. Then, you'll need to basically install jumpers on it.

Probably not the best way to spend time, considering that it probably won't be stable once you do get the FSB switched and it'll be really really hard to do. But I would probably do it anyway, sounds like fun

 

[jazztrumpet216]

Hey! Glad to see you've caught the overclocking bug!

In place of the jumpers there's just little metal dots where the jumpers should be? Eek, that's not good. Sounds like Compaq took the jumpers off the board as to inhibit overclocking! You could solder between the contacts or use a rear window defogger kit to connect the pins (or what would be the pins) to conduct the current, thus faking the mobo into thinking there's a jumper there (assuming what Monster of Rock said isn't true and there isn't a big blob of solder there, if there is, you'll have to take care of that)... but I personally wouldn't recommend it.

As far as the voltage goes, if it pans out that you need to do a voltage boost, do a search of the forums for "vid pin" and see what you find. Also called the "wire wrap" technique or "pin hole" method, it will fake the motherboard into thinking the default voltage of the processor is higher than it actually is, giving you more voltage. Again, doing a search will reveal more on this topic, if you should decide to go through with the overclocking and would need more voltage.

 

[dasilva333]

crud

soldering iron, solder, defrogger. install stuff.... umm no thanks i changed my mind into overclocking THIS one i don't own a those stuff and its too risky to do that either way so ill just stick to 633 mhz of speed and curse at compaq for being so non-user friendly inside the system. at least i understand how it works those bumps are actually the jumpers the just took them off and somehow it can be replaced with pins and plastic thingies if i want it back so i can overclock it , i also need to do that vcore wire wrapping technique if i ever decide to do it, which i won't thanks guys i greatly apriciated your help

 

[dasilva333]

changed my mind

OK im back, rather than admit defeat and let compaq win, ima try to overclock it instead. after some research in the forums, holy google search engine, and intel website, what i know is that i basically need to connect the jumpers and also connect vid1 vid2 together while still keeping it intact and working. instead of using a soldering iron or a windows defogger kit anyways can't i also use a conductive pen to connect those jumpers together? and if so then why does the chart say gobi 66 (what is gobi?) JP3 - on JP4 - on JP5 - off i mean aren't they all supposed to be off becuase they aren't connected. the chart also says intel 66/100/133 OFF OFF ON but why is one of them on, i thought they weren't connected....

 

[Monaco]

i think an easier method would be to get some thin wire and tape it down over the contacts, so it isn't permanent just in case.

Another option that I completely forgot about is a program called SoftFSB. It allows you to change the FSB in windows, pretty cool. I haven't had much luck with it but it's worth a try before you play with the jumper spots i think.

one of the contacts in the Intel line should be soldered closed right now- the one for 66mhz.

 

[dasilva333]

Thanks thats a wayyyy better idea that those other ones, i guess i can use electrical tape and some wire to tape those together. but can't i mess up my motherboard if i use SoftFSB? also i think i not only need to worry about the fsb but also the cpu core voltage as jazztrumpet said right?

 

[jazztrumpet216]

Don't worry about the CPU core voltage unless it turns out that you need a voltage bump to reach whereever you want to reach.

 

[Monaco]

SoftFSB just makes changes to the FSB via the system's SMbus. If you use it and the speed you set is unstable, you can just boot into safe mode, turn off SoftFSB, and reboot back into Windows normally. I don't think it can harm or break anything, no matter what you do.

The CPU core voltage is one of the last things you need to mess with- you don't really NEED to adjust it at all. For example, my Celeron 566 will run at 850mhz at the default voltage- but to hit 975mhz it needs the vcore increased from the default of 1.7V to 1.95V. It's just to squeeze a bit more out of a cpu, or make it stable at a certain speed.

Also let me say i am seriously impressed that you refuse to give up on OCing this system- most folks would have called it a day long ago! Clock on, dude!