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lol - well i tink alot of us saw the other notes on how the blizzard game more or less scans your ENTIRE PC , program windows - everything for cheats, possibly collecting information you may not want to give
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[NEWS] Blizzard's Warden Thwarted by Sony's DRM Rootkit
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Mr.Guvernment said:
Fantastic, now people can cheat again. Thats great. I'm so happy for the cheaters and a few paranoid fruitloops that think Blizzard is stealing their pron can now enjoy the game again.
woo hoo...
ps I hope they ban anyone running this program in an even questionable manner.
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i would trust blizzard to scan my pc if the benefit is less hacks.
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For starters, the warden never prevented hacks. WOW glider has worked for quite some time now in spite of the 'warden'. It is very rudimentary, it just scans for the 'name' of hacks in window titles and compares them against hashes. Totally ridiculous. Many people have just taken the extra step of 'proxying' all the communications between the machine and the gameserver, although this requires a reverse engineering of the game protocol it also opens up the door for any sort of cheat which reads state data that is otherwise unavailable to the player within the client. Any sort of deterent to cheating in this manner usually leads to an escalation conflict, as it has with punkbuster. This never inconveniences the cheaters because they don't spend their time designing the 'hacks', they are too busy cheating with them and likely lack the knowhow. My friend exploited an in game bug that allowed him to stack up his damage to insane levels on a mage (3k scorch crits) and you know what happened to him? absolutely nothing. They didn't even know, despite the fact he ran around Sorrow hill and one shotted about half the alliance server population. One would thing such an egregious offense would bring the notice of the GM's in the form of checking the logs etc. But I'll let you in on a little secret. THERE ARE NO LOGS for this sort of thing. Which is reasonable, since the data storage requirements would be astronomical (easily eclipsing the character storage requirements even if you just kept a couple days worth). After you've played the game through once it is extremely pointless anyway so I say 3 cheers for the cheetahs! May you ruin the fun of all. The only reason blizzard cares about cheating is because they're afraid if people get the impression they are soft on it (like they were in all their other games with terrible client security models, the diablos in particular were especially braindead) they will lose their cash cow of epic proportions.
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OC Noob said:
They can't ban people using it for any reason as far as I know. Sony's DRM is undetectable.
SuperFarStucker said:
What? Diablo 2 was the best as far as anti-cheating went if you played your characters off the blizzard servers, and didn't do games that used the characters you could also use in single player.
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Quailane said:
That definetly isnt true. Pre 1.10, there were so many cheats/hacked items/other things available for D2 it wasnt even funny. I dont know if it has gotten any better with the 1.10 patch, since I havent played in so long.
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^^^^ i loved diablo II anit cheats - when they FINALLY fot into place - before that you can dupe items like no tomorrow! it was unreal!
i think blizzard should be allowed to scan THEIR game directories, nothing else - what if i am reading up on a site to find out how someone is cheating because i thought i was being chated againsts? now i am going to be labeled a cheater when i am not ?
Seems a little wrong that blizzard is judging me based on a line of text and no proof i did cheat or was even planning too.
i think blizzard should be allowed to scan THEIR game directories, nothing else - what if i am reading up on a site to find out how someone is cheating because i thought i was being chated againsts? now i am going to be labeled a cheater when i am not ?
Seems a little wrong that blizzard is judging me based on a line of text and no proof i did cheat or was even planning too.
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veryhumid said:
And thats what a lot of people do. For people who don't trust blizzards software they have the choice not to buy/play the game.
I really don't see what the big deal is. If someone doesn't trust a companies software, why would they give that company their money? Unless they were cheaters which is too often the case.
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All the heartache courtesy of SONY Corp. 
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Indeed. It's also simply amazing how many Federal statutes and Constitutional Amendments Sony is breaking with this rootkit stuff.Super Nade said:All the heartache courtesy of SONY Corp.
It's also interesting how it interacts with other software.
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I don't think good games should need cheats. Everything should be merit based and that solves all cheating problems and adds flavor to the game. One good hit to the head = decapitation and etc. Just like in Fear you can take down the most powerful armored dudes with a pistol if you had skill. Skilles leveling gets boring in my opinion.
I hate games that require things to be one way and thats it. If it's online rpg, then assasination, "secret" alliances, backstabbing, and other merit based things should be included, not just the level 23 does 34 damage, while level 12 does 12 damage. Level 34 will own a level 33 monster with the +8 orb and +19 sword heh.
A level 12 with a sword should be able to kill a level 60 mage if the 12er runs up and cuts him up.
(Oh and I forgot to mention, I didn't play this game but still..... "merit" based gameplay should be used more often.)
I hate games that require things to be one way and thats it. If it's online rpg, then assasination, "secret" alliances, backstabbing, and other merit based things should be included, not just the level 23 does 34 damage, while level 12 does 12 damage. Level 34 will own a level 33 monster with the +8 orb and +19 sword heh.
A level 12 with a sword should be able to kill a level 60 mage if the 12er runs up and cuts him up.
(Oh and I forgot to mention, I didn't play this game but still..... "merit" based gameplay should be used more often.)
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Super Nade said:All the heartache courtesy of SONY Corp.
Agree, Sony is good for that.
Best way to beat Sony at their wn game is not to buy their products.
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The bottom line is that I do not take kindly to people accessing my files that they shouldnt be accessing without my knowledge or consent. I have my own music and intellectual material and it strikes a nerve with me that they think they have the right to go access my private files in the name of anti-piracy. **** that. That's illegal.
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^^ they scan your entire PC looking for files with certain names and such, open windows (IE etc)- to do that they must scan everything and when that file doesnt match their criteria, they move on, but they DID scan the file and right now, no one really know what they do with all of that information THEY have FREELY allowed themselves access to everything. whether YOU like it or not - yes i know, i dont have to buy their game. 0 but as said above - it is not like they are clearly and UPFRONT being honest about what they are doing , to me if i had an anti-cheat software i would be advertising it on the front of the box " New anti-cheat software to give you better game play!!!" as said, not burried in 20 pages of EULA knowing most people wont read that much into it.
Why is it other games dont need to scan my entire PC to prevent cheating? Oh i know, because they usually do it all server side - or they know how to code their games better so people simply cant cheat , usually again, using "server side" code to block the cheating, not scanining every person's PC - i can see this vbeing like Steam soon, so many accounts being wrongfully blocked and not reopened.
Why is it other games dont need to scan my entire PC to prevent cheating? Oh i know, because they usually do it all server side - or they know how to code their games better so people simply cant cheat , usually again, using "server side" code to block the cheating, not scanining every person's PC - i can see this vbeing like Steam soon, so many accounts being wrongfully blocked and not reopened.
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apu318 said:
Amen....problem with this type of conduct is if they can get away with installing and running scanning software without your knowledge or consent for reason one reason it opens the flood gates for other companies to do it for other reasons. One the extreme end it could even serve as a loophole for spyware and maleware. Just what I want, weather bug and yahoo tool bars running in the background without my knowledge.
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Super Nade said:All the heartache courtesy of SONY Corp.
While sony does seem to cause us problems...This isn't their fault.
if people wouldn't cheat, we wouldn't be having these problems.
its not sony's fault that their software got abused so people can hide their cheats.
Blame the cheaters, not the companies that try to prevent cheating.
Cheaters are no better than Nigerian scammers, or Mass E-mail spammers. They should all be put up to a brick wall and shot.
Except for offline cheating...which is 100% fine. But online cheating is wrong, screws with everyone elses game experience.
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