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Nvidia Cheated? Check this out, Very interesting Read.

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I read over it. Its very possible what they are saying is true. ALthough the memory buffer issue (if that really is a problem) seems like it is just a general optmization not associated with 3dmark.
 
We discussed our findings with nVidia before we published this article, and the company's Direct3D driver team is currently investigating the problem. At press time, the company's engineers believe that the anomalies we're seeing are the result of a driver bug.

I was thinking "nice try fellas, now what's the REAL story?" :p

Although I see the legitimacy of their contentions, I still suspect they have as much to gain raising the suspiscion against nVidia as they do in promoting their own product... :rolleyes:


Here at Ziff-Davis Media, we've dealt with this problem for over 10 years, on our popular 3D, system, and networking benchmarks. Cheating is one reason why we've always been in favor of benchmarks using real-world applications -- because optimizing those benchmarks also tends to optimize real-world performance. Synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark2003 have their place, but they are somewhat more susceptible to unfair optimizations.

Educational article to say the least. Thanks for the linky Kunaak.
 
Hey, yeah, cuz you know - ATI has NEVER done anything like this. :cough cough quack.exe:

Sad fact is, it's probably true, and in 4 - 24 months when the tables are turned, ATI will probably do the same thing with the R900 core. In the meantime, nVidia may or may not do it again.

Sad fact of life, but manufacturers are known to do less than honest shady things.
 
I guess no one will ever forgive ATI for Quack but it sped up a GAME ! When shown it was quickly fixed at no performance loss in less than a week . All the while [H] and Nvidia were prancing all over the place and never spoke to ATI before blabbing the story ( scoop )

What is different this time :

1/ This is a definite cheat not an optimisation ( quack was a cheat too but could be bent as an optimisation depending on the viewpoint )

2/ The all holy Nvidia , whistle blowers on the quack issue are involved .

3/ The assistant whistle blower over at [H] is now telling us to give Nvidia a chance , it may be a bug :rolleyes: and that we are all just jumping to conclusions ............... right .

4/ Besides Quack , you'd be very hard pressed to find another confirmed ATI 'cheat' . Trident was caught once , SiS twice or so regarding the Xabre and S3 with the Savage 2000 I think . But I am having great difficulty keeping track with the number of lies , deceptive PR , IQ hacks and cheats emanating from Nvidia over the past year .

5/ ATI got caught , admitted it and fixed the issue with a driver which lost no performance ! Nvidia gets caught and instead lies about it !

6/ This driver cheat was implemented in a benchmark , purposely to fool the consumer . And being a synthetic bench the consumer/reviewr gets nothing but erroneus bragging rights as opposed to a cheat which speeds up a game or an application .
 
Hey wait, how is this cheating again? What makes you guys think that ATI hasn't already done this. Wasn't there collaboration between ATI and futuremark before 3dmark 2k3 even came out? Maybe that gave ATI what it needed to tweak the drivers before futuremark's release? Could it be that nvidia is simply catching up? I dunno, I may be wrong, but then again, I dont really care much about this anyway, and I didnt read that thing, so I might be uninformed, but its like 3 am and I'm goin to bed.
 
Jawsome: I don't know if read the article fully or not, but basically, think of the roving camera in game test 4 of 2k3 as on a railroad track. It's a fixed motion ride through the scene. With the camera in a fixed position, you can only see so much at any given time, and that 'so much' that can be seen is known exactly.

Now remove the camera from the track and move around freely. You can see new stuff. With ATI, it renders correctly. With nVidia, it does not.

Cowboy X: The point I was making was that this sort of thing is... well, PAR FOR THE COURSE. Many companies will lie, cheat, and do all sorts of unholy things to convince you to spend your money with them. ATI and nVidia are unfortunately no exception.

Previously, nVidia had a stellar driver quality and IQ reputation, but no longer I think.

Previously, ATI had a horrible driver quality reputation, but they're working on it, and from what I understand, making lots of progress.
 
For me it is the ammount of times that Nvidia has been caught lying , breaking promises , being deceitful and simply cheating since this time last year . For example they told more lies about NV30 in the space of a few months than most hardware companies could tell in 5 years . And then to top it off , the denial just gets me even more annoyed .

But I still agree with you , there are very few saints out there in the buisness world . If we consumers and investors ensure that lying,cheating and deciet negatively affect these companies' earnings then things would be different , if we turn a blind eye , shrug our shoulders or support them via fanboyism then things will never improve .
 
If it's a discussion who lies the most, then it's pointless and should stop. If it's a discussion about the specific allegations of the article, then it's fine. Stick to the current facts and you should be ok.
 
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