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[Automata]

I'm not going to ask nicely again. If you are not going to be civil, don't post.

Disagreeing?. More like they need a new monitor to clearly see the pictures and read what's written with it.

If you are having issues coping with disagreement, I suggest you unsubscribe to the thread.

 

[Amnesiac]

ROFL, you don't have a clue about any technical things when it comes to GPU's. Stop talking now please.

Please tell me you are not basing your (whole) argument on GK107 and GK106?.

 

[bmwbaxter]

That is like saying, 670 is a cutup version of 680, 660Ti is cut up version of 670.

The 680, 670 and 660ti are all based off of the GK104 core so a 670 is a neutered 680 and so on.

 

[Amnesiac]

The 680, 670 and 660ti are all based off of the GK104 core so a 670 is a neutered 680 and so on.

I know. I am just following his logic.

 

[87dtna]

That is like saying, 670 is a cutup version of 680, 660Ti is cut up version of 670 and 660 is cutup version of 660Ti.

Logic...

I know. I am just following his logic.

670 is a cut down 680. 660 Ti is a cut down 670. 660 is completely different. 650 Ti is a cut down 660. 650 is completely different.

 

[Amnesiac]

670 is a cut down 680. 660 Ti is a cut down 670. 660 is completely different. 650 Ti is a cut down 660. 650 is completely different.

As I asked, you are basing your argument on GK107 and GK106. 660 being GK106 and 650Ti being based on GK106 too. That?.

Lets say GK107 is a new gen card and GK106 is an old gen card. Both having same specs, GK107 automatically wins?.

^ This. I need an answer to this.

 

[bmwbaxter]

Lets say GK107 is a new gen card and GK106 is an old gen card. Both having same specs, GK107 automatically wins?.

^ This. I need an answer to this.

The chances of two different cores having the same specs is slim to none. But the newer core doesn't always win. Since the GK106 is newer than the GK104 but is far inferior.

Just seems like you need to reread your info and reevaluate. Just seems like you aren't getting how things work.

 

[Amnesiac]

Just seems like you need to reread your info and reevaluate. Just seems like you aren't getting how things work.

Please elaborate.

I was simply comparing GTX 550Ti with 650Ti, albeit with low shader count. That is why I wrote 'rough ups'.

The calculations for bandwidth wont lie AFAIK. 550Ti being 192bit, though having lower clocks, beats 650Ti's 128bit 5400MHz clocked RAM.

Am I wrong in saying that?.

Plus the whole HWcompare website is based on numbers and calculation, which serves as an excellent reference tool.

Edit: ... and its easy to validate that too. It may not be 100% accurate, but it works. Compare 550Ti with GTX 650. The results there mirror the actual benchmarks by many websites. 650 falls behind 550Ti in performance.

 

[bmwbaxter]

Please elaborate.

I was simply comparing GTX 550Ti with 650Ti, albeit with low shader count. That is why I wrote 'rough ups'.

The calculations for bandwidth wont lie AFAIK. 550Ti being 192bit, though having lower clocks, beats 650Ti's 128bit 5400MHz clocked RAM.

Am I wrong in saying that?.

Plus the whole HWcompare website is based on numbers and calculation, which serves as an excellent reference tool.

That is only part of the puzzle, you can't compare current HW with unreleased HW.

The 550ti may be faster in memory bandwidth but it will most certainly be slower overall compared to the 650ti.

 

[87dtna]

Lets say GK107 is a new gen card and GK106 is an old gen card. Both having same specs, GK107 automatically wins?.

^ This. I need an answer to this.

What are you talking about?

They are the same ''gen'', and they will never have the same specs, it's impossible. GK106 starts out with 5 SM's, the 650 Ti will have 1 (or 2) disabled and the memory cut to 128 bit. GK107 starts out with only 2 SM's and 128 bit only.

The entire point is, of your ''rough ups'' you aren't comparing gtx 650 Ti specs to the gtx 550 Ti. Yes you can calculate bandwidth, big deal. More memory bandwidth doesn't mean a card is stronger. A gtx 580 has 192 gb/s bandwidth, but a 660 Ti only has 142 yet it easily beats it in performance.

I personally gaurantee the gtx 650 Ti will blow the 550 Ti out of the water. Your ''rough ups'' are not even close to reality because you don't even understand how GPU's work.

 

[Amnesiac]

That is only part of the puzzle, you can't compare current HW with unreleased HW.

The 550ti may be faster in memory bandwidth but it will most certainly be slower overall compared to the 650ti.

Now you're talking!.

Of course it should be. Considering the huge shader count.

BUT people saying it will beat 560Ti, that I cant believe.

Current leaks suggest that 650Ti has lower ROP count than that of 550Ti. 16 to 24.

TMU's, not sure.

Plus, someone said here that its shader count has dropped to 500 something. Any link?.

gtx 650 Ti will blow the 550 Ti out of the water

Lets see how big of a blow it will be.

Anyways you win you win. Whatever makes you happy.

... and please. Dont fool yourself. Everyone can tell that it will beat 550Ti. Considering 650 got close, 650Ti will definitely beat it but not sure about 'blowing it out of water'.

 

[bmwbaxter]

Now you're talking!.

Of course it should be. Considering the huge shader count.

BUT people saying it will beat 560Ti, that I cant believe.

Current leaks suggest that 650Ti has lower ROP count than that of 550Ti. 16 to 24.

TMU's, not sure.

Plus, someone said here that its shader count has dropped to 500 something. Any link?.

The 660 beats the 560ti several times in Tom's HW review, so it is possible depending on the final specs of the 650ti how it will do. But I think it is possible it will likely trade blows with the 560ti based off of 660 performance.

 

[87dtna]

The 660 beats the 560ti several times in Tom's HW review, so it is possible depending on the final specs of the 650ti how it will do. But I think it is possible it will likely trade blows with the 560ti based off of 660 performance.

The 660 is in between 570 and 580 performance. It should beat the 560 Ti in everything!

Amnesiac, that is not what I said. I said it would be around 560 Ti performance, but beat the regular 560 for sure. It really depends if they give it 576 cores or 768 cores if it will be able to beat the 560 Ti.

Even the regular 560 blows the 550 Ti out of the water. So even if the 650 Ti is only 560 performance, it easily spanks the 550 Ti.

 

[Amnesiac]

The 660 is in between 570 and 580 performance. It should beat the 560 Ti in everything!

Amnesiac, that is not what I said. I said it would be around 560 Ti performance, but beat the regular 560 for sure. It really depends if they give it 576 cores or 768 cores if it will be able to beat the 560 Ti.

Even the regular 560 blows the 550 Ti out of the water. So even if the 650 Ti is only 560 performance, it easily spanks the 550 Ti.

Hey. Who is comparing 560 with 550Ti?.

Look at 560's specs. They are already above 650Ti's 'leaked' specs. Shader count isn't everything!. Shaders aren't ABSOLUTE! in judging PERFORMANCE!. Should I start underlining the words now?.

 

[87dtna]

I was just giving an example. You cannot follow anything.

lol who said shader count was absolute in performance? I said if they give it 576 cores it will be more like 560 performance, if they give it 768 it should be closer to 560 Ti. Therefore, if the 650 Ti is atleast 560 performance, it should easily beat the gtx 550 Ti.

You cannot even compare 500 series to 600 series core count because it's completely different architecture and design. The GTX 580 with 512 cores still beats the 660 with 960 cores.

 

[Amnesiac]

I was just giving an example. You cannot follow anything.

lol who said shader count was absolute in performance? I said if they give it 576 cores it will be more like 560 performance, if they give it 768 it should be closer to 560 Ti. Therefore, if the 650 Ti is atleast 560 performance, it should easily beat the gtx 550 Ti.

You cannot even compare 500 series to 600 series core count because it's completely different architecture and design. The GTX 580 with 512 cores still beats the 660 with 960 cores.

BAHAHA. Good to see you complying.

Cores=Shaders, btw.

Bla bla cores beats bla bla 660. So?. When am I denying that?. I actually said that shaders aren't everything because I know that Nvidia, with it's 600 series, has started following AMD's path. There are 'other tidbits' too. TMU's, ROP's, memory bandwidth.

lol the 650Ti has only memory clock and shader count in its favor. Everything else is in favor of 560.

If the leaked 650Ti specs are true, and it wins against 560, then I will admit defeat. BUT before that, it has to blow 550Ti out of the park!. I consider 'BLOW' to be at least 10fps ahead in 50 to 60% of benchmarks, that too, of games only. Not 3Dmark etc etc synthetic crap.


Good day.

 

[bmwbaxter]

Guess time will tell, hopefully this thread can rest until then.

 

[87dtna]

A 560 is about 40% stronger than a 550 Ti. A 560 Ti is about 50-60% stronger. So before you just say 10fps, know that fps is relative. If the 550 Ti is getting 10 FPS and the 650 ti gets 16fps thats 60% stronger. Point is, you can't just say a blanket 10 FPS, it nees to be a percentage. A since the reguler 650 trades blows with the 550 Ti, there's absolutely no way the 650 Ti won't cream a 550 Ti by quite a large margin. Hell, if the 650 Ti isn't atleast 40% stronger than 550 Ti then I will admit defeat lol. That means if a 550 Ti is getting 100 FPS, the 650 Ti will be doing atleast 140 FPS.

 

[Amnesiac]

A 560 is about 40% stronger than a 550 Ti. A 560 Ti is about 50-60% stronger. So before you just say 10fps, know that fps is relative. If the 550 Ti is getting 10 FPS and the 650 ti gets 16fps thats 60% stronger. Point is, you can't just say a blanket 10 FPS, it nees to be a percentage. A since the reguler 650 trades blows with the 550 Ti, there's absolutely no way the 650 Ti won't cream a 550 Ti by quite a large margin. Hell, if the 650 Ti isn't atleast 40% stronger than 550 Ti then I will admit defeat lol. That means if a 550 Ti is getting 100 FPS, the 650 Ti will be doing atleast 140 FPS.

Bet accepted!.

 

[ivanlabrie]

Then again, I bring you guys some joy...