OFFICIAL Microsoft Windows 10 October 2018 Build will delete your personal files

[Kenrou]

All of this and what I got out of it is that you're still using Windows 8. Presumably 8.1. Ouch! I'll take 10 over 8/8.1 any day thank you.

Why ? not noticeably faster, not "better" (my view of better for whatever it's worth), causes more problems, hardly any innovation except for DX12 and even that is of debatable importance considering the amount of games that actually use it properly. I don't understand why people hate Win8.1 so much ?

 

[c627627]

I'll take that.
Because they refuse to install/customize Classic Shell, once that is done, 99% of all Windows 8 criticism goes away.
http://www.classicshell.net/downloads/

 

[Alaric]

Or they tried the developer's preview, already have W7, and need Media Center. Well, one of us anyway.

 

[don256us]

I just hate (personal opinion) the tiles. Win 10 still has them but they are more palatable as MS gave me back my menu. The whole "Start" window was too much change at one time and to this day I don't like it.

Now for the stats that show why 10 is better than 8.


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I have none. I've run every MS OS as they come out in order to keep pace with my potential clients and see the "world" as they see it. 8 was ugly for most of us in terms of looks and muscle memory getting to things and what not. 8.1 was better but too late to win hearts.

 

[EarthDog]

Seems like a double edged sword... there is the side that takes the time and effort to use and customize their install of old OSs because they have reasons (be it running apps that dont work forward, or because of the telemetry), or you are one that doesn't mind the telemetry and doesn't spend time on customization but has to deal with the potential pitfalls of being that 'beta tester'. Its all in how you want to spend your time I guess.

 

[Kenrou]

That's fair enough i suppose but Classic Shell takes literally seconds to install and even the default settings (no tweaks needed) make it a fair look-a-like of win7. Could that be a part of that feeling of "i want everything that's new" even though sometimes it might not be better or you consider yourself a true beta tester and odds be damned ?

 

[EarthDog]

It is though, by many accounts, better. But every person weighs things differently. To some (many), the telemtry isn't better... but it can make things better (says MS). It has better memory management (to what end...do we feel it?), a friendly interface (for who?) etc, but, by many accounts, to most end users that try to use it, they like it. Especially when on a touch device which is also dominating the landscape.

https://www.onmsft.com/news/poll-are-you-happy-with-windows-10

Not a scientific poll, but you can see what I mean. The enthusiast crowd will likely have different results than that, but we can see an overall positive acceptance for it. LIterally 10% of respondants said they don't use it.

 

[c627627]

I just hate (personal opinion) the tiles. Win 10 still has them but they are more palatable as MS gave me back my menu.

I purchased Windows 8 retail at OfficeMax in 2012. It is 2018 and I have never seen tiles in Windows 8 to this day. I would pull my hair out if I was forced to use tiles and had no alternative, but I do. It's called Classic Shell and after mere seconds of a default install, no Windows 8 user has to look at tiles again.

The beauty of it is that you still can, you still have the option of tiles by pressing SHIFT+Start Button but I never used that option since 2012, and therefore have never seen tiles since then.

 

[wagex]

I purchased Windows 8 retail at OfficeMax in 2012. It is 2018 and I have never seen tiles in Windows 8 to this day. I would pull my hair out if I was forced to use tiles and had no alternative, but I do. It's called Classic Shell and after mere seconds of a default install, no Windows 8 user has to look at tiles again.

The beauty of it is that you still can, you still have the option of tiles by pressing SHIFT+Start Button but I never used that option since 2012, and therefore have never seen tiles since then.

i have to agree i never liked the metro ui, i actually have classicshell installed on all my windows server 2012 instances because i dislike it so much, not that i ever even use the start menu.

also installed classicshell to get rid of the win10 start menu as i like the win7 start menu better.

 

[Kenrou]

https://www.onmsft.com/news/poll-are-you-happy-with-windows-10

"It's ok, whatever works to get my stuff done" [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[don256us]

I work as an end-user support. My 9-5 is far more simple in that we went from '95 to XP to Win7 and are now going to Win 10. All users are in one OS and I only have to know that OS. On the side, I support small businesses and individuals who could be on any one of those OS's. As such, I live with the OS as it is released so that I work day to day the same environment as my potential customers. Some OS I'm happy to see and others I'd like to toss in the bin. Your solution sounds solid and removes my arguments so I have no problem yielding to your point.

Back to the OP, it frustrates me that they knew of the issue and still released it. Problems occur, I get it and I accept it but for them to be aware and still go through with it is far worse. I gave up being upset about the beta tester status long ago because I haven't ever had an issue with it since Windows ME. Yeah I said it. ME. As such I've been lulled into a false sense of security had I had a device that got the update *and* fell into the parameters that caused the issue.

 

[Alaric]

Just a random question her. M$ has said they'll get people's data back. If personal files were deleted (and they were) to make room for an update, then it's reasonable to suggest said update had to overwrite the deleted data, correct? So how is M$ going to "get it back"? If the deleted data is intact, there was no need for deletion in the first place, right? If the data is not intact, they overpromised (lied) and they can't fix it at the consumer level, right? The only fix that makes any sense is they can restore the folders because they have copies of them. Doesn't that sound wonderful of M$? How magnanimous.
Not.

 

[knoober]

Just a random question her. M$ has said they'll get people's data back. If personal files were deleted (and they were) to make room for an update, then it's reasonable to suggest said update had to overwrite the deleted data, correct? So how is M$ going to "get it back"? If the deleted data is intact, there was no need for deletion in the first place, right? If the data is not intact, they overpromised (lied) and they can't fix it at the consumer level, right? The only fix that makes any sense is they can restore the folders because they have copies of them. Doesn't that sound wonderful of M$? How magnanimous.
Not.

M$ Data Specialist: "Hey boss! We've got another one that thinks we've got secret cloud backups and that the only way to restore their deleted data. What should I do?"

M$ BossMan: "Make 3 copies of his data, make sure to keep one off-site. Don't forget to put a "Data Restoration Fee" marker on his permanent record in case he ever deletes it himself and needs our copy that we don't have "

You know I couldn't resist this thread right? But I'll be good now

 

[c627627]

If personal files were deleted (and they were) to make room for an update, then it's reasonable to suggest said update had to overwrite the deleted data, correct? So how is M$ going to "get it back"?

This is why chances for recovery in many cases will be slim to none.


P.S.
In a completely separate issue, October 2018 update is bricking hp machines, apparently it doesn't know how to handle hp keyboards, so the entire Windows 10 system becomes unbootable.

 

[wagex]

What i want to know is, who lives this dangerously anyhow lol less than 10GB left on their drive!? what kind of monsters do this do their storage

 

[Kenrou]

What i want to know is, who lives this dangerously anyhow lol less than 10GB left on their drive!? what kind of monsters do this do their storage

Happens more often then not, if i hadn't set up Documents on a separate drive on Wife's rig she would be getting "drive full" warning on her SSD everyday. Most people (specially with small SSD) don't know/care that you need to keep at least 20%-30% free for the drive to work optimally.

 

[wagex]

Happens more often then not, if i hadn't set up Documents on a separate drive on Wife's rig she would be getting "drive full" warning on her SSD everyday. Most people (specially with small SSD) don't know/care that you need to keep at least 20%-30% free for the drive to work optimally.

your wife cant fill the SSD if she doesnt have one. lol

really though 99% of users open their pc's load facebook, news, email, work on some 15KB documents.. As someone who regularly repairs pc's i almost never see anyone using even half of their storage, unless they torrent a bunch of movies or something, which is a very low % of users. "oh yeah i got the one with the lots of storage that's good right, think it was like gigabites?" "yeah man sure" *looks has like 20gb used on a 4tb drive* lol

you also have me curious how tiny her SSD is lol and what in the world she is stuffing in my documents.

i mean, im kind of a storage ***** though lol. adding 2more TB to this machine hopefully today



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not saying it doesnt happen but, how often does it really.

 

[Kenrou]

your wife cant fill the SSD if she doesnt have one. lol

you also have me curious how tiny her SSD is lol and what in the world she is stuffing in my documents.

64gb SSD as boot drive and a 2tb HDD for games/docs (plus a 4tb HDD for backups) and being a mother she has extensive libraries of photos and videos. But ofc being your average Joe regarding computers she sends everything to the desktop (not even going to mention the duplicates of duplicates of everything she downloads and modifies) and I have the job of cleaning up the mess every week or so [emoji29]

 

[wagex]

64gb SSD as boot drive and a 2tb HDD for games/docs (plus a 4tb HDD for backups) and being a mother she has extensive libraries of photos and videos. But ofc being your average Joe regarding computers she sends everything to the desktop (not even going to mention the duplicates of duplicates of everything she downloads and modifies) and I have the job of cleaning up the mess every week or so [emoji29]

hahaha women.

luckily mine never even gets on the pc.

 

[c627627]

You took EarthDog's figure assumption as correct, but I question it because I install every Windows 10 build on my personal systems and have found out the hard way that I need way more free space than that to install every iteration of Windows 10 as it comes out. I have plenty of space but it is on other partitions, since every single HD I own is partitioned, I have no need for a large OS partition, in fact I keep it as small as possible for drive imaging speed purposes. I still had to increase its size as time went on because Windows 10 will not install, even though I have terabytes of free date on the system, Windows 10 will only install if much more than what EarthdDog assumed is available on the OS drive itself, even if you have terabytes of free space on the entire system.

Second, equally important, I have *never* kept a single personal file on C drive after losing some personal files in the mid 1990s due to a Windows glitch.
So I keep the OS partition just big enough to be operational with no actual programs installed on it [they are all installed on different partitions so that Windows can't get to them - for real this was the reason, which now is no longer paranoia but a real danger] - so I advise everyone to *never* keep any files on C: Drive. I don't even install programs on C: drive, let alone keep personal files there.

I also don't know what the figure is, but let's not forget before blaming the victims, that Microsoft made updates mandatory, not optional on Windows 10.

10GB I believe is what I have read.