Old OC'r wants to build and learn for gaming.

[deathstar13]

i think its been 20 years since i was last active, But was very experienced back then when we built our own water cooling and cryo freezing rigs.
i need a hobby to stay busy and i learn fast and can research well. just for the box id like to stay under $1k buying new or used parts.
id like current parts or bang for the buck mainly. ill be using Amazon and Ebay for parts as the classifieds look non existant here now.
I like AMD but intel works 6 core minimum more is better.
Air cooler.
64-128MB ram DDR5
1-2 TB SSD
i think EVGA PSU i read is good now. Better budget options?
ill be bench building so no case is needed yet and peripherals will be dealt with last.
Oh and mild OCing is a good goal.

ill take any advice and suggestions.
I do have an outdated dell latitude i can scavenge the HDD for short term use., the cpu is a i5 dual core so i doubt it will be of any use.

 

[freeagent]

I wouldn't spend money on anything from EVGA anymore. Intel, AMD.. both make good stuff..

Really depends on how much you want to spend.

For gaming on a budget probably a cheap AM4 board, cheap ram, and a 5700X3D.

I am on my 4th or 5th year of AM4 and it has been stable as a table for me.

Starting an AM5 build now.

 

[deathstar13]

This is what i came up with for a midrange pc.
id probably get the 5700X3D for either system as im gonna do a very budget pc build to look at prices before i pick a path.
that reminds me i didnt put the Graphics card in the build this round.
Thanks for the input.

 

[deathstar13]

After much research i decided on a AMD Ryzen 7 8700G cpu.​

i felt investing $1k i better buy into a more current platform and faster memory wise.
the only thing i can figure out is the MoBo as id like a good ocing board for the cpu and memory also.
even tho its an APU ill still be adding a

Radeon RX 7600 XT Gaming OC 16G Graphics Card as i dont think an an APU can do the full job down the line.​

So what MoBo you suggest? around $200 if possible.

 

[Woomack]

Ryzen 8000 is not the best idea unless you need integrated graphics. It's significantly slower than the Ryzen 7000 and 9000 series, and it has PCIe limitations (check motherboard info for M.2 support and PCIe lanes distribution with 8000 series Ryzen). This is also why it doesn't sell in retail, and the price went significantly down.

9700X is ~$300
ASRock B850 motherboards are between $130-200. Most B650 should be good too. It's all a matter of controllers and other features that you need. I guess if you say what you expect of the motherboard, then it will be easier to advise something (USB ports, audio and other things like that).

I would say get an Intel B580 graphics card, but I guess they're hard to get in the US. There are some $300 options. It should be faster than AMD or Nvidia at $300-350. I don't know when lower models from the new generation will be released, but if you don't need it now, then you can buy CPU+mobo and use IGP until you find a good deal for the graphics card.
The Intel B570 is not much slower and should be available for about $220 right now. However, the B580 is expected to drop to $250 when availability improves.

Get any 6000MT/s RAM (the best if CL30-32, but it depends on the price difference). Ryzen works the best with 6000-6400 kits.

 

[DaveB]

For gaming on a DDR5 platform you want an AMD AM5 X3D CPU/DDR5 setup. Got a Microcenter nearby?

Add another 32GB G.Skill Flare kit for $83, $70 for a 1TB PCIe Gen 4 x4 NVMe M.2 SSD, $100 for a 750W Corsair ATX 3.1 PSU and you're good to go for around $900 including tax.

 

[Nebulous]

Sweet dealio right there. Makes me jealous you guys have MC close by!

 

[freeagent]

FWIW you do not need an X3D CPU to play a game. The other CPUs game just fine..

You get X3D if you are a hardcore gamer, and that is all you want to do with your pc.

 

[deathstar13]

I do have a Micro Center not to far away but no car.
Woomac you bring up a great point on the G series cpu and i do plan to add a Radeon RX 7600 XT into the system and i dont want the PCIE buss being not at its full potential. im more into tweaking and overclocking than gaming so i could get by with the APU only in games.
i was hoping to hit the buy button until i read this info.
The Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core may be my next step but adds in the need for a good cooler.

i need to keep this on a budget and its getting out of control cpu/mobo/ram/psu needs is pushing the price limitations over a good AM4 build.

 

[Woomack]

If you don't need it mainly for gaming, then maybe you can find a combo deal with a 7700X or 9700X CPU. These Microcenter deals are usually pretty good. Sometimes Newegg has something good, but I checked their current deals and they are nothing special (I could miss something).

 

[JLK03F150]

The Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core may be my next step but adds in the need for a good cooler.

Maybe the 7700 8-Core could be an option? Wraith cooler is included. Sorry for the Microcenter in-store only link.

AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Raphael AM5 3.8GHz 8-Core Boxed Processor - Wraith Prism Cooler Included - Micro Center

Get it now! Leading your team to victory shouldnt cost a fortune. This processor brings exceptional value, overclocking, and an included AMD Wraith Prism cooler with RGB LED lighting.

www.microcenter.com

 

[Woomack]

Maybe nothing special, but something like this should be good enough - https://www.microcenter.com/product/683930/thermalright-assassin-x120-refined-se-cpu-air-cooler
The best would be something like Thermalright Peerless Assassin, but it's already $50.

 

[deathstar13]

Amazon.com

gotta be a scam! but i am considering the 7700X That has normal pricing.

 

[JLK03F150]

Amazon.com

gotta be a scam! but i am considering the 7700X That has normal pricing.

Wow, that looks like a crazy good deal. Not some random seller named gyulgyc, it's the AMD Store. That could make a Peerless Assassin an affordable add.

 

[EarthDog]

+1. Rather have that than the APU.

 

[deathstar13]

this build im looking at with the AM5 setup is gonna take me forever to save up and buy 1 part at a time.
its almost double what and AM4 setup with a AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 8-Core system will cost me.
TBH i mainly use my pc's for web surfing and an occasional game.
Yes an AM5 setup would be faster, But id bet i couldn't tell the difference.

Prices went back to normal again as they must have seen the scammer lowballing prices and his 3-4 week delivery time. It wasnt threw the AMD store tho.

 

[don256us]

Amazon.com

gotta be a scam! but i am considering the 7700X That has normal pricing.

Just built a system with the 7600 cpu for about $800 USD = gpu. I really like it.

 

[deathstar13]

i can only come close too $800 if i go with an AM4 build as i need a monitor also.
AM5 parts are 2x the price of AM4 components.
i did find a video on the 8700G and the pciE lanes gets cut in half or 3/4 if you add a graphics card. But it did bench well despite that.

 

[Zerileous]

EDIT: Are you trying to do $800 + monitor or $800 w/ monitor?
Here is 1K w/ monitor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G84XJn - I'm really just smashing parts together. It's up to you to check reviews and research compatibility fully, but this is a jumping off point of what might be workable. You're right AM5 on this budget will be difficult, you probably can't do 8 cores without a Microcenter deal or some sort of combo deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/ has some good suggestions or jumping off points including full builds around 1k. Not saying they're the best builds (I believe they're kind of made by a robo process with certain price and guidelines) but give you an idea of where to start then you can tweak for your preferences. For example I'm not a huge fan of going 6c for a new build.

For gaming on a DDR5 platform you want an AMD AM5 X3D CPU/DDR5 setup. Got a Microcenter nearby?

Add another 32GB G.Skill Flare kit for $83, $70 for a 1TB PCIe Gen 4 x4 NVMe M.2 SSD, $100 for a 750W Corsair ATX 3.1 PSU and you're good to go for around $900 including tax.

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Sweet dealio right there. Makes me jealous you guys have MC close by!

Dang I saw this and thought "that's a nice deal" without even seeing it was an x3d.

 

[rainless]

i think its been 20 years since i was last active,

Twenty years?!? That means you probably missed the ZENITH of Rainless... when I was at the height of my powers...

I think, at some point, I was averaging 20 posts a day...

For CPUs... I've always had a soft spot for Intel. As far as evil empires go... they've always been kind of benevolent.

...but stay away from any of their modern stuff. Stick with 12th generation Intel or older.

The current stuff helps microsoft activate its "Recall" functionality... and that's not a party you want to be invited to.

There were also problems with the 13th and 14th generation that I'm sure others could tell you about.

But you can get a CPU like mine (12900K) for next to nothing.

Motherboards and video cards I've always been partial to Gigabyte. Last I heard EVGA left the video card market or something??

If you're looking for a budget build, then now is a great time to pick up an RTX 4000 series card.