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Old OC'r wants to build and learn for gaming.
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i bit the bullet and ordered my first part for the build. Even tho i didnt take the cheapest path i thing i can stull make this budget friendly.
I got the Mobo-
As for CPU i think ill get the 12 core 7900X
I do have a question, 32mb or 64mb on the ram? i just upgraded my laptop too 32mb and it hasnt come close to using it all. Will a gaming need 64?
I got the Mobo-
ASUS TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI
As for CPU i think ill get the 12 core 7900X
Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core
orRyzen 9 7900X
I do have a question, 32mb or 64mb on the ram? i just upgraded my laptop too 32mb and it hasnt come close to using it all. Will a gaming need 64?
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Personally I don't think anything above 32GB is currently needed for a gaming PC.
Just to help at another twist though, there are now 48GB (2x24GB) DDR5 kits out there too. Seems a nice compromise between 32 & 64 GB.
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ill keep an eye out on the 48GB sets as id rather run 2 sticks over 4 for overclocking, At least thats what i used to prefer.
$100 for 2x16gb is $100 and 64GB is $150 or so i feel like id be saving money a bit.
$100 for 2x16gb is $100 and 64GB is $150 or so i feel like id be saving money a bit.
Not that the OP is going intel, but..........FYI, if you buy the 13/14th-gen CPU NEW and update the BIOS on the motherboard, you avoid all that 'BS' as it has been resolved months ago. The issue only exists today if you buy a used 13/14th CPU (where some degredation could have occured) and don't update the BIOS.
Anyway, I'd also vote for 48GB as a sweet spot for capacity and speed.
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I remember you - your signature way back was "FSB is life!" and you were all about Nforce 2 and Socket A back then.
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Those were good times. Just a short time before I got my own PC there were some Socket As where the multiplier could be unlocked with a pencil, I wonder if either of you guys did that back then.
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I did have a Duron CPU that I unlocked that way, it was my first Socket A CPU. My first computer was a hand me down 486 that I bought from a friend in late 2000. I wanted to go back to school and I would need something to write papers with. Then I got a soundcard for it (an AWE32 for $10.00) and wanted to use Napster. But the 66 MHz CPU was too slow to play MP3s. So I bought an Evergreen 133 MHz upgrade CPU, but it still wasn't quite fast enough, so I did my first overclock and got it to 140 IIRC and I could play MP3s!
By the fall of 2001 I had upgraded to a Socket A system, mostly by accident. I had been using AT cases, but the IT person at the car dealership I was working at gave me an old ATX case for free. SInce I had a K6-2+ 475 in an old Asus Socket 7 board by then, I ordered a Soyo 5EMA+ Super 7 board - this would be a big step up since I would have SDRAM instead of EDO, and an AGP slot! I ordered it from Tiger Direct and they accidentally sent me a Soyo K7VTA (Socket A) instead (not too surprising considering it was Tiger Direct, but I didn't yet know about Newegg, I only heard of them after I joined here, and they were the best back then). It was more expensive than the 5EMA+, so that was nice, but now I needed a CPU! So I bought a Duron 700 on Ebay. Then I found out about the pencil trick, began overclocking a little, and I proceeded to wreck things and buy new hardware because I sometimes did very dumb things.
It was pretty wild back then, this place was very popular. There were also regular discussion threads about current events that sometimes got pretty heated, what with the recent 9/11 attack and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. One funny thing about that was when the moderators got tired of it and asked people to take that sort of thing elsewhere, I would wonder "Where?" because I was still so new to the internet.
By the fall of 2001 I had upgraded to a Socket A system, mostly by accident. I had been using AT cases, but the IT person at the car dealership I was working at gave me an old ATX case for free. SInce I had a K6-2+ 475 in an old Asus Socket 7 board by then, I ordered a Soyo 5EMA+ Super 7 board - this would be a big step up since I would have SDRAM instead of EDO, and an AGP slot! I ordered it from Tiger Direct and they accidentally sent me a Soyo K7VTA (Socket A) instead (not too surprising considering it was Tiger Direct, but I didn't yet know about Newegg, I only heard of them after I joined here, and they were the best back then). It was more expensive than the 5EMA+, so that was nice, but now I needed a CPU! So I bought a Duron 700 on Ebay. Then I found out about the pencil trick, began overclocking a little, and I proceeded to wreck things and buy new hardware because I sometimes did very dumb things.
It was pretty wild back then, this place was very popular. There were also regular discussion threads about current events that sometimes got pretty heated, what with the recent 9/11 attack and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. One funny thing about that was when the moderators got tired of it and asked people to take that sort of thing elsewhere, I would wonder "Where?" because I was still so new to the internet.
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Oh man I don't want to derail too much, but speaking of stupid things...I killed the first Mobo I tried to mount a cooler on because the screwdriver slipped off the clip (it was actually a gift from someone here, on the condition that I run FAH on it). Also back then GPU coolers were crummy, so I took an old aluminum heatsink and cut it up, then used a dab of superglue and thermal paste to stick them to my vram on my ATI GPU, then reached into the system one time and knocked it over, killing the card. Had to mow lawns all summer just to play CS 1.6.
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Here is what happened to the Duron: the case I was given was called an Elan Vital, and it was really meant for something like a Slot 1 system. It had a pretty cheap PSU, and it had no rocker switch. I had taken the SDRAM out to use in another motherboard I was testing out to build a system to give to my aunt, and I forgot and powered on my main system with no memory. That Soyo board had a feature where it would "talk" to you through the case speaker speaker and it said "No memory" and I realized my mistake. But; I had only had an ATX case for a couple of weeks, and I was still used to AT cases with their positive on/off switch. I hit the power button to turn it off, and nothing happened (I didn't know that you could hold the switch down and it would eventually turn off) so I didn't know what to do. As I mentioned, the psu didn't have a rocker switch so I did the only thing I knew to do, and pulled the plug. I then installed the memory and turned it back on. then I noticed that I had no sound? This board only had one ISA slot, and I needed that for the modem, so I used the onboard sound (which was not as good as the Creative AWE32) and it didn't work now? Then I noticed that when I tried to start Jane's WW-2 fighters, it would CTD?
Based on this, I was sure it was a bad motherboard. It seemed that the voltage spike from unplugging it did some very selective damage. So I ordered an Abit KT7A from Tiger Direct, mostly because it had an ISA slot and I wanted to stick with that ISA hardware modem for my dial up internet. Then I got that board, but I discovered that the CPU had also been selectively damaged, and even with the new motherboard I still couldn't play Jane's WW-2 Fighters! It would mostly work normally, but not for games.
So then I bought an Athlon 900 on Ebay, R.I.P. 700 Duron. But then I had a new problem. Everything was working fine, but the Logitech Wingman Extreme joystick I had came with software you were supposed to run with Windows 98. Maybe you could have just installed the driver, but if so I didn't know that then, so I would install the software and then the joystick would work correctly. But now it would lock up the machine? So I returned that CPU, and the seller sent me another, and it had the same problem!? Then I found out that the old version of the software was speed sensitive - if your CPU was too fast, it would lock up the machine! I had to download the newer version, which took a long, long time at 26.4k. Yes, that's right, the phone lines where I lived meant that anything faster than a 28.8k modem was wasted. I was very apologetic to the guy I bought the 900 Athlon from, I had no idea that you could have a CPU too fast for the software. I believe I also did the pencil trick on that Athlon.
Based on this, I was sure it was a bad motherboard. It seemed that the voltage spike from unplugging it did some very selective damage. So I ordered an Abit KT7A from Tiger Direct, mostly because it had an ISA slot and I wanted to stick with that ISA hardware modem for my dial up internet. Then I got that board, but I discovered that the CPU had also been selectively damaged, and even with the new motherboard I still couldn't play Jane's WW-2 Fighters! It would mostly work normally, but not for games.
So then I bought an Athlon 900 on Ebay, R.I.P. 700 Duron. But then I had a new problem. Everything was working fine, but the Logitech Wingman Extreme joystick I had came with software you were supposed to run with Windows 98. Maybe you could have just installed the driver, but if so I didn't know that then, so I would install the software and then the joystick would work correctly. But now it would lock up the machine? So I returned that CPU, and the seller sent me another, and it had the same problem!? Then I found out that the old version of the software was speed sensitive - if your CPU was too fast, it would lock up the machine! I had to download the newer version, which took a long, long time at 26.4k. Yes, that's right, the phone lines where I lived meant that anything faster than a 28.8k modem was wasted. I was very apologetic to the guy I bought the 900 Athlon from, I had no idea that you could have a CPU too fast for the software. I believe I also did the pencil trick on that Athlon.
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Dang sounds wild lol. One of the first things I learned coming here was not to use the PSU that came in the case. Now days I still probably over spend / over recommend PSUs even tho most cheapo ones probably have protection from basic things like that.
It was definitely a fun time thinking about how much I could do with a Dremel and a collection of my family's old PCs.
We better let this thread get back on track tho...
It was definitely a fun time thinking about how much I could do with a Dremel and a collection of my family's old PCs.
We better let this thread get back on track tho...
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funny you guys remember me, I was totally an Athlon guy but my last rig i built was an intel.
i was always the extreme type and did watercooling when cpu blocks were all made to order by individuals.
i then moved on to cryo freezing rigs and killing mobos left and right due to condensation. I never could get those sealed perfectly.
i loved GeForce cards and flashing thier bios to a higher grade card.
And yes this place was rocking and the classifieds were the best, i remember sending out money orders as i wouldnt use paypal to buy used parts and Newegg was my goto shop.i then took about a 10 year hiatus from overclocking and just used them as is.
yes i unlocked many cpu's with the graphite pencil trick until i found pcb trace repair pens that were like markers but where conductive.
Now i need a hobby and just doing all the research is a job in its own but i think i have my path well planned.
My Asus Tuf AM5 board showed up yesterday and on the 3rd when i get paid again ill get my cpu which im going overkill on with a R9 9900x so its a bit future proof.
this what ive picked out after my research, id still like to have a 1000W PC and Powercooling psu but i dont think they make them anymore.
See anything you would change?
i was always the extreme type and did watercooling when cpu blocks were all made to order by individuals.
i then moved on to cryo freezing rigs and killing mobos left and right due to condensation. I never could get those sealed perfectly.
i loved GeForce cards and flashing thier bios to a higher grade card.
And yes this place was rocking and the classifieds were the best, i remember sending out money orders as i wouldnt use paypal to buy used parts and Newegg was my goto shop.i then took about a 10 year hiatus from overclocking and just used them as is.
yes i unlocked many cpu's with the graphite pencil trick until i found pcb trace repair pens that were like markers but where conductive.
Now i need a hobby and just doing all the research is a job in its own but i think i have my path well planned.
My Asus Tuf AM5 board showed up yesterday and on the 3rd when i get paid again ill get my cpu which im going overkill on with a R9 9900x so its a bit future proof.
this what ive picked out after my research, id still like to have a 1000W PC and Powercooling psu but i dont think they make them anymore.
See anything you would change?
ASUS TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI
AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X 12-Core
Crucial T700 2TB Gen5 NVMe M.2 SSD
GIGABYTE Radeon RX 7600 XT Gaming OC 16G Graphics Card
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE CPU Cooler, 6 Heat Pipes
Patriot Memory Viper Venom DDR5 RAM 32GB (2X16GB) 6400MT/s CL32 1.4v
be quiet! Dark Power 13 850W Quiet Performance Power Supply
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some extra questions. What does "Gen5" over "Gen4" cpu's offer anything worthwhile?
Since this will be a daily intarweb machine and medium gaming is 12 core cpus overkill?
AMD Ryzen™ 7 9700X or is the AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X overkill?
im still trying to pick a PSU for overclocking and adding watercooling.
Since this will be a daily intarweb machine and medium gaming is 12 core cpus overkill?
AMD Ryzen™ 7 9700X or is the AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X overkill?
im still trying to pick a PSU for overclocking and adding watercooling.
D-COOLING FX360 PRO Liquid CPU Cooler ive read reviews its an amazing cooler for the cost and i am aiming at lower 65W cpus. I think this will do better than the The
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
Seasonic VERTEX GX-1200 or the CORSAIR RM1000x my last build years ago i used a PCand Powercooling pcu and it was a beast but i dont see them anymore.
Better performance/efficiency. There's lots of reviews out there. Here's one -
www.techpowerup.com
Yes... a 360mm aio will cool better than the PA120.
1200W is a waste of money. 1000W will handle a 5090 and any cpu you throw at it without flinching. To give you an idea, I've been running 850w with 13900k and 4090 (ran fine on 750W for months). 9900x and 7600xt could be run and overclocked on 550W. I know you need headroom for higher wattage parts, but just saying.
AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Review - But that Price
The Ryzen 9 9900X, with its 12-core/24-thread design, is designed for those looking to go beyond eight cores. It delivers solid gaming performance and benefits from a 120W TDP. Despite its performance, the $500 cost is high, especially when considering similar products in its category.
Yes... a 360mm aio will cool better than the PA120.
1200W is a waste of money. 1000W will handle a 5090 and any cpu you throw at it without flinching. To give you an idea, I've been running 850w with 13900k and 4090 (ran fine on 750W for months). 9900x and 7600xt could be run and overclocked on 550W. I know you need headroom for higher wattage parts, but just saying.
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ok check on the cooling. GIGABYTE Radeon RX 7600 XT is the graphics card i plan on getting.
being everything will be overclocked i think the 850W is a minimum and 1000w for head room. Most likely Corsair units im looking at.
have a good higher end PSU you recommend?
I just cant decide one the 8 core or 12 core, Both i listed above have similiter specs power and cache wise. so im just not sure the 4 extra cores is worth $100 in extra cost.
My laptop has an R7 8 core and its done everything i can imagine even playing games in medium settings at 1080P
Id love to get a R8700G so i can game a bit before i buy the graphics card as i gotta buy each part everytime i get paid.,but still add the graphics card last. but seeing it takes away PCIe lanes i dont want it slowing my HDD's down.
Do you feel it would be enough to slow the system down to the point its measurable? i feel ill never see or feel the difference but its the point of purposely building something that is detrimental to the overall pc's speed.
being everything will be overclocked i think the 850W is a minimum and 1000w for head room. Most likely Corsair units im looking at.
have a good higher end PSU you recommend?
I just cant decide one the 8 core or 12 core, Both i listed above have similiter specs power and cache wise. so im just not sure the 4 extra cores is worth $100 in extra cost.
My laptop has an R7 8 core and its done everything i can imagine even playing games in medium settings at 1080P
Id love to get a R8700G so i can game a bit before i buy the graphics card as i gotta buy each part everytime i get paid.,but still add the graphics card last. but seeing it takes away PCIe lanes i dont want it slowing my HDD's down.
Do you feel it would be enough to slow the system down to the point its measurable? i feel ill never see or feel the difference but its the point of purposely building something that is detrimental to the overall pc's speed.
I'd overclock the snot out of that system on a 750W PSU and have headroom.
Anyhoo... I'd say a 8-core is minimum for today. if I planned to hang on to the CPU for a couple of years, would be a 12-core (where i'm going). It's why I'm not getting a 9800X3D and going 9900X instead (that and I plan to move to 4K high-Hz gaming this year and don't need the x3d). I'm currently running the titanium seasonic 850W with a 4090 and 13900K.
Anyhoo... I'd say a 8-core is minimum for today. if I planned to hang on to the CPU for a couple of years, would be a 12-core (where i'm going). It's why I'm not getting a 9800X3D and going 9900X instead (that and I plan to move to 4K high-Hz gaming this year and don't need the x3d). I'm currently running the titanium seasonic 850W with a 4090 and 13900K.
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ok ill be shopping for a 850W high end psu, Corsair or Seasonic as for brand.
the 9900X looks like the cpu for me also, Im not a big enough gamer to go with the X3D's
ill look into the TR cooling systems as i do plan on modest OC'ing as id rather have stability over speed.
The ram ill tweak the heck out of tho,its CL30 to start with
My biggest surprise i never imagined when i came back to pc building is M.2 drives, they knocked that one out of the park!
the 9900X looks like the cpu for me also, Im not a big enough gamer to go with the X3D's
ill look into the TR cooling systems as i do plan on modest OC'ing as id rather have stability over speed.
The ram ill tweak the heck out of tho,its CL30 to start with
G.SKILL Flare X5 Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MT/s CL30-40-40-96 1.40V
And yes i know 64GB is alot, but i want to future proof this build for a few years as to why ill go with a 12 core.My biggest surprise i never imagined when i came back to pc building is M.2 drives, they knocked that one out of the park!
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Ok i have another question and Asus is confusing as hell. i finally opened up my mobo and read the box and it specifically says the mobo uses M.2 SSD drives. are they just leaving the NVMe wording off the M.2 specs?
i popped a heatsink and its keyed for NVNe drives.
Am i correct in thinking i need NVMe drives, And not just M.2?
i popped a heatsink and its keyed for NVNe drives.
Am i correct in thinking i need NVMe drives, And not just M.2?
