Old OC'r wants to build and learn for gaming.

[deathstar13]

how is the Ryzen 7 8700G not a desktop cpu? I almost got that one as its AM5 and i did want the graphics, But went with the 9900X for more core count and my PCIe lanes wouldn't be bothered. I think i dont fully understand how that second PCIe chipset works.
I just searched youtube on the 9900x integrated graphics and can fine anything on it, May be as to why i didnt think it was on there. But in reality im glad its on the chip.
if i do go 4K what do you feel is the optimal size for 3840 x 2160?
I hope its 32" as thats the max size i want and reasonably priced.

From what i can tell from what your saying the integrated graphics run as well as a 7900XT if it can run 4k?
So wouldn't buying a 7800XT be a waste of money if my cpu can out run it? That would make my only goal a RX9070 in that case.
With that said would you still say get the 1440P over a 4K and if a game cant hold 60FPS i can down scale too 1080P on the 4k monitor? Of just make it easy and still get the 28" 1440P you recommend?

Ill look into a fan header, Would be nice to find one i can adjust the voltage with a pot adjuster.
I also have all the high end paste and pads and somewhere a bunch of sinks. Is it needed? Most likely not but i get to spend the day having fun and making something work better.
I miss the good old days when we used to flash hacked bios's into our cards and making a standard card run as if it was an OC model from the factory.

 

[EarthDog]

how is the Ryzen 7 8700G not a desktop cpu?

It technically is, but the G denotes it's an APU lower power class CPU, and less powerful than non "G" counterpart... it's graphics are better.

if i do go 4K what do you feel is the optimal size for 3840 x 2160?
I hope its 32" as thats the max size i want and reasonably priced.

32" is what i would do from what you said.

From what i can tell from what your saying the integrated graphics run as well as a 7900XT if it can run 4k?
So wouldn't buying a 7800XT be a waste of money if my cpu can out run it?

Maybe I wasn't clear. It's not fast enough to play games at 4k. At best you'd drop to 1080p and be able to play some titles with lower settings. It will happily play YouTube, surf the web, etc. The point was to say ot can hold you over to see if you could swing a 9070xt in the next......until you couldn't tolerate it.

With that said would you still say get the 1440P over a 4K and if a game cant hold 60FPS i can down scale too 1080P on the 4k monitor?

No. I've already said that if you're going to need to do that, 4k -> 1080p looks better than 1440 -> 1080. That said it's really on what gpu you set your mind on. If it's 9070xt then yes, it can game at 4k. If it's 7800xt/9070, I'd go 1440.

Ill look into a fan header, Would be nice to find one i can adjust the voltage with a pot adjuster.

It's typically done in the bios or through your motherboard's software these days. But yeah, nothing like a mechanical twist!

I miss the good old days when we used to flash hacked bios's into our cards and making a standard card run as if it was an OC model from the factory.

You, me and sooooo many of us!!!

 

[deathstar13]

.I dont want to play with "chances and what ifs" on this monitor. I just want to open the box and set it up and forget it. im gonna try and buy the graphics card when i buy the monitor so if i get a 9070 ill get a 4k monitor.
Other than that im flat out buying a 1440P
I was gonna buy the Ryzen 7 8700G and when i mentioned it here someone brought up the PCIe lanes but that doesnt mean i didnt understand what they were saying.

ill go with 28" if i buy 1440P and 32" if 4k.

Tell me this if the radeon graphics are so good and able to play everything in 1440p why buy a GPU? That would be a heck of a savings. So what can a GPU card do over the integrated graphics?

 

[EarthDog]

Tell me this if the radeon graphics are so good and able to play everything in 1440p why buy a GPU? That would be a heck of a savings. So what can a GPU card do over the integrated graphics?

Integrated graphics doesn't do well at 1440p. Even the APU is barely solid at 1080p.

Again, putting an image on the screen and playing games are two different things.

 

[deathstar13]

Gotcha, Now i know i can stick to my plan.
so does 1440P get wonky at 32" ?
28" makes more sense as i need ti use a flex arm to mount it too so the lighter the better.

i was gonna say i have 6 intake 120mm fans and 3 exhaust out the top threw my AIO
That should keep my H2O cool as possible and create a positive internal air flow to keep as ,uch dust out as possible.

 

[EarthDog]

so does 1440P get wonky at 32" ?

I think so (remember the posts re: pixel density?).

i was gonna say i have 6 intake 120mm fans and 3 exhaust out the top threw my AIO
That should keep my H2O cool as possible and create a positive internal air flow to keep as ,uch dust out as possible.

I mean, it's up to you for the most part. That's a lot of intake though. Maybe keep the rear as an exhaust along with the top to keep that airFLOW going.

 

[deathstar13]

yes i remember you saying that, As i why i i have 28" in my mind now.
I hope these 9070's make it possible to purchase when i have the money but that route is gonna be rather expensive as the GPU will be +$200 or more than what im aiming at and the monitor is 2x the price.

Ill do some testing on the airflow as my rear intake is blowing directly at the VRM's and such. But if i have enough airflow making the rear and exhaust may just pull heat off that area instead of blowing on it. Not as efficeint cooling wise but with as much flow as i have it should be ok.

 

[EarthDog]

Your rear intake is blowing directly at the 'front' (where your case holds two fans vertically........) which are blowing in. Just creates turbulence and goes up and out. That still keeps positibvely airflow and dust from coming in some cracks (for what little that's worth). AirFLOW is typically front/sides/bottom = intake, top/rear = exhaust in most cases. Even the Amazon pic shows the rear as exhaust.

But test away! That's half the fun.

 

[deathstar13]

yeh i can see how a rear intake can make turbulence and also just have its fresh air sucked out the top being both are side by side albeit at a 45 degree angle. that will give me 5 intakes and 4 exhaust.

 

[Viper69]

Not that the OP is going intel, but..........FYI, if you buy the 13/14th-gen CPU NEW and update the BIOS on the motherboard, you avoid all that 'BS' as it has been resolved months ago. The issue only exists today if you buy a used 13/14th CPU (where some degredation could have occured) and don't update the BIOS.


Anyway, I'd also vote for 48GB as a sweet spot for capacity and speed.

Not sure how I didn't see this. Thanks!!

 

[deathstar13]

I think i found a solution that will allow me to run my 120mm case fans manually. It may even let a mobo fan header control it also. This was recomended earlier but im afraid ill burn the single header out.

Amazon.com

Then i found this that goes between the header and fan board giving me 5v - 12v adjustment running off of 110v and a 5A output adjustable too 12v. i see no reason why it cant run 2-3 120mm case fans on each of its headers, But some ill still run off the bios or software.

What you think? BTW im talking 9 120mm fans i gotta deal with. All are arould 2k speeds and low corrent.

 

[EarthDog]

What you think?

You're reinventing the wheel.

This was recomended earlier but im afraid ill burn the single header out.

The hub he linked you to is powered by the PSU (via SATA power connector). The connection to the fan header is for control/monitoring purposes only. You control that hub through your BIOS or Windows-based software that comes with your motherboard.

All are arould 2k speeds and low corrent.

...as asked previously, we would need to know the exact power it uses... which should be written on the fan hub, or at least model number. You could simply piggy back a couple, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut until we know the exact power they can use........................we can't tell you how many and on which header (something you can figure out on your own too by looking at the manual to see which headers output how much along with knowing the exact specs for the fans).

 

[deathstar13]

Its easy to make these mistakes when you have been out of the loop 20 years.
That Zalman solution is better than anything ive imagined i could make myself.
Here are my bottom case fans x3

Amazon.com

AIO X3 120mm

Wattage

2 watts

and 3x unknown 120mm case fans. but i figure they are about the same as the rest watt wise.

I do have some good news i may be getting a small sum of cash within the next week. So i mat be getting the rest of my parts soon. sadley with what ive bought already im still not at the halfway paid point. Another $1500 to finish it up. That also with a RX 7800XT and 27" 1440p monitor and then my drives.
i still wanted to sneak a 1TB Crucial T705 in there but i dont think i can after looking at these numbers.

 

[deathstar13]

Another question for you guys and i swear i tried my best to search for an answer but found none.
But whats the difference in a 7800XT over a plain 7800" i do know the RX 7800 can be overclocked to XT speeds and im rather sure i can flash an XT bios to it but id like to see if its ever worth it.

Im preparing for 4K if i can get a good deal on a 9070XT.
But its killing me to find a $400 32" curved 4K monitor. As without that the 9070xt point is moot and i should stay with a 27" 1440P

 

[EarthDog]

But whats the difference in a 7800XT over a plain 7800" i do know the RX 7800 can be overclocked to XT speeds and im rather sure i can flash an XT bios to it but id like to see if its ever worth it.

There's no such thing for desktop. There's a 7800M but that's in laptops.

Flashing to a higher tier card hasn't been a thing for ages.

 

[deathstar13]

so i should look for an XT model 7800?
In both the 7800 and 9070? i know ive seen alot of plain 9070's out there and much cheaper than the varierant XT

 

[EarthDog]

so i should look for an XT model 7800?

Yes. The other model is for laptops and doesn't fit in desktops.

The 9070 is a less expensive variant, indeed. Here's a chart again that shows the average FPS for a bunch of GPUs at varying resolutions. It's also 4K-capable gaming-wise.

ASUS Radeon RX 9070 TUF OC Review

AMD's new Radeon RX 9070 launches today. It comes at the same $550 price point as NVIDIA's RTX 5070, but offers a 16 GB VRAM size while the 5070 has only 12 GB. The new RX 9070 also managed to catch up with NVIDIA in ray tracing performance and efficiency.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[deathstar13]

Thanks for the link, I just found out ill get paid today or Monday.
So i gotta get these parts priced and picked.
I can goto Ebay which i half trust and get a 9070XT for $900 and a 32" 4K from Amazon $400
Or a $200 1440P 32" from AMAZON for $220 and a $600 arx 8700XT for $600
for a $500 differance, what would you do?

 

[EarthDog]

It doesn't matter what I would do with that situation. This is personal, and your choice.

I'm moving to 4K/240Hz so I need a 5090. We're in different situations completely (as is WHY I'm going this route... I'm already at 2560x1440 165Hz).

 

[deathstar13]

I think ill go with the 8700XT and 1440P, Thats way over powered than i need as is.
Im just gonna put the money im saving back into the system where it shows. and i can see and feel the difference.
even Amazon is scalping and was $620 for a 7800XT still saving over $300 just on the card. and another $150 on the monitor.

do people use that classifieds much anymore? im wishing i had gotten 2x32mb sticks instead of 2x16MB sticks.
Do you thnk 4940 is roo much for a 9070XT? As the way it looks its $700 for a 8700xt