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Overclocking with the Epox EP-5EGMI

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blueandwhiteg3

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I have an Epox EP-5EGMI motherboard with a Celeron D 331 CPU (2.66 GHz, EMT64, XD, SSE3, etc) and 1 GB of DDR400 memory. Nothing too exciting, I selected the system due to some certain unusual hardware requirements, but I had not considered overclocking heavily in the selection process. Nonetheless, Epox didn't seem to be a bad choice for some casual overclocking, and even with the Celeron D (locked multiplier), it appeared I should be able to move the FSB from 133 MHz to 200 MHz, bringing my 2.66 GHz CPU up to 4 GHz - more than I'm likely to ever be able to get the CPU to without more extreme measures than I would take.

So I picked up the whole system and put it together. It works marveously. However, after setting it up, I learned the core voltage could not be manipulated. Oh well, at least I can still adjust the FSB from 133 MHz up to 200 MHz... oops... it seems that I can't move the bus all that high.

At 145 MHz, the system is 100% reliable and the CPU runs around 2.9 GHz. I can also run the ram slightly above (435) or below the specs - there are just two options. The CPU does not even have any significant increase in heat at this setting, and seems to be under 100° F at nearly all times, at either 2.66 (stock) or 2.9 GHz. It's the setup I'm currenly using, it is perfectly smooth, and seems to indicate I should be able to take the system somewhat further, likely without problems.

However, at 150 MHz FSB, the system does not even boot. I can inch up 1 MHz at a time, and it seems completely reliable until I hit 150 MHz. Then it fails to even activate the display. And every other frequency I've tried higher than 150 also completely fails to boot the system. I am forced to reset the BIOS, or if the safety reset feature is active, it resets itself when it fails.

Oddly, it seems if certain features are selected in the same BIOS settings section (such as spread spectrum) I can choose any FSB frequency I wish, and the BIOS reports it as being applied, but when booted, the OS does not detect anything above stock frequency and benchmarks indicate no changes. I've experimented around with virtually every other option on the same BIOS frequency adjusment/clocking screen, yet I have nothing that actually lets me his 150 MHz on the FSB and actually have it work.

I would expect to be able to push the FSB higher than 149 MHz. Is my experience atypical? Is there anything I could do? I really would like to push my CPU a bit harder, because I can really tell you that I'm barely scratching the surface of its potential considering how cool it runs when overclocked from 2.66 -> 2.9 GHz. I'd at least like to find a range where the CPU causes the system to be unstable because it's running too quickly.

Can anybody contribute some general or specific informtion to me in this department? I am reasonably knowledgeable about this stuff and understand the key concepts, but I may just be missing something obvious.

The Epox site for the EP-5EGMI:
http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps=357

The Intel site for the EP-5EGMI:
http://indigo.intel.com/mbsg/details.aspx?compID=2530
 
do you have cpu-z ?

and have you tried applying a divider and then going up to 150mhz ?? any luck then ??

what do you have your ram timings set to ??

what is your pll on that board ?
 
I am running Linux on this machine, hence no cpu-z.

I'm not sure what you mean about the divider... are you talking about the multiplier to the RAM clock? As for the RAM, I have clocked it down low enough and I have seen that there are no problems, up to 435 MHz with the RAM. When I'm trying higher CPU speeds, I have the RAM clocked below the specification of 400 MHz, to ensure the RAM is not a problem.

I'm just trying to get the most bang for my buck out of my little system, nothing elaborate, but it seems like I'm nowhere near the limit of the CPU (no temperature increases, instability, etc.) but the motherboard or some other component is holding me back. I'm looking for some way to get around this problem.

As for the PLL, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Which clock are you talking about? Please forgive my ignorance...
 
yes im talking about making your ram run slower and trying 150. seems by what you said that doesnt work either..

what are your voltages at ? cpu and ram ?
also do you hav option of ram timings (cas 2.5 for example ?)

some boards auto set to cas 2 and that hinders greatly..
 
I am about the hit the sack for the night, but a few notes...

I have not changed the CPU voltage (nor did I notice an apparent way to do so, although I haven't look again tonight) nor the RAM timings. I have considered investigating the RAM timings, but that seems to me more like "icing on the cake" because I am likely far from the maximum clock speed my CPU can handle.

The BIOS was up to date last time I checked, although a new update may have come out.

I will look into the PLL, voltage adjustment, and RAM timing adjustment later, as it is quite late where I am right now.
 
Sorry for taking so long to post again. I really appreciate the help in this department, as I'm just not terribly privy to all the specifics in this field - yet.

I checked my PLL and I'm not finding it on the PLL page you gave to me. Brief googling didn't turn much up either. Here's a photo:
pll.jpg

I've also captured photos of my BIOS for your information, so you can easily see all the parameters that are available to me. I wanted to embed these images for easy browsing, but the stupid administrative settings wouldn't allow it. Hence, you get many links. Sorry!

The "POWER BIOS Features" screen where my primary clock adjustment work is done, subscreens follow:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8469.jpg

The bus adjustment subscreen:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8470.jpg

The PCI adjustment subscreen:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8471.jpg

The RAM clock divider adjustment subscreen:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8472.jpg

"Advanced BIOS Features" screen which may or may not be of interest:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8473.jpg

The "CPU Feature" subscreen (of "Advanced BIOS Features") with some slightly interesting but probably useless options:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8474.jpg

"Advanced Chipset Features" screen, the RAM settings are currently set to "By SPD" and hence locked:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8475.jpg

"Advanced Chipset Features" moved to manual control, so all the RAM options are changeable:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8476.jpg

"PC Health Status" which shows various voltage values and temperatures. Note that the CPU currently doesn't get much warmer than the values shown here:
http://209.59.162.223/~pics/overclocking/BIOS/CRW_8477.jpg

I'd really like to get my CPU clock speed up further before I delve into the final touches on optimizing the RAM. Can you direct me further regarding the PLL?
 
let me check over and do some research a bit and ill get back with you shortly..

and no i havent forgot about you :D

i just been busy busy
 
Thanks. I'd feel better if someone other than me confirmed I wasn't missing anything. I believe I included photos of all the relevant BIOS screens, although it's always possible I missed something, so you might spot it in the manual.

I contacted the author of CPUCooL with an inquiry as to where my PLL fits on his charts, as he suggested on his PLL page. I attached a link to the photo of my PLL. I believe it's quite clear and sharp and should provide an ideal means of identification. I have yet to hear back.
 
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