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- Aug 23, 2003
- Location
- behind the wheel
UPDATE:
my website on attraction science is up! have a look at it under http://www.student.kuleuven.ac.be/~m0324684/attraction/!
this page only views corretly with Internet Explorer, so I'll make a different version for non IE users....
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INTRO:
people's perception of beauty is something that came up in a few threads I've participated in.
ever since I did a presentation on the subject of perception of beauty in highschool, I've been quite interested in the psychological side of it. (I guess that and along with the fact that I am a heterosexual guy)
I felt it was better to start a new thread here rather than polute those threads.
The following is what I found while researching for that presentation for Theory of Knowledge (for which I got an excellent grade for my IB). Recipe for your perfect woman is the synthesis of all the stuff I found.
Just want to know other people's thoughts on this. If you agree or disagree, voice your opinion!
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MAIN IDEAS
here's what I wrote on the other thread:
after doing a presentation on the subject of perception of beauty for Theory of Knowledge (part of International Baccalaureate), it seemed that what makes a beautiful woman could be pretty easily defined:
although there's slight variances in personal preference, the main issues are the same wherever you're from.
so, recipe for your perfect woman:
take the average of all the women you've ever seen (which would be different for everyone), make eyes larger, eyelashes longer, eyebrows narrower, more arched and further from the eyes, cheek bones more pronounced, nose narrower, chin sharper, jaw shorter and narrower, lips fuller, breasts around C or D cup with nice round shape, waist to butt ratio of 2:3, Body Mass Index of 19~20 kg/m2, perfect facial and body symetry, nice skin, around 22 years old.
there you have it. your personallised perfect woman.
average: extreme features are not good.
facial enhancements: signs of high levels of oestrogen "hyperfemininity"
body features: breasts for feeding baby, hip to ratio of 2:3 is good for childbirth, BMI of 19~20 is sign of youth
perfect symetry: good genes
nice skin: no parasites.
22: rough age of peak fertility
I think Scientific American used this recipe to make a perfect "hyperfemale" face (starting from average face of women from many parts of the world to account for the diverse readers), and indeed it was a very attractive face.
example of near perfect face: Christy Turlington (edit: at 22 yrs)
example of near perfect body: Laetitia Casta (edit: at 22 yrs)
just found a virtual face, which is quite attractive:
virtual Miss Germany 2002
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DISCUSSION
that virtual miss Germany comes from a website of a German university's psychology students' project. I found this website today (07/10/2003), and it is quite good. One thing they mentioned which I did not hear of before was the "baby face" theory.
they made a lot of computer generated faces using Morpher 3, which look totally real, for both attractive and unattractive faces. have a look.
all they did to get that virtual miss Germany was to blend the faces of all contestants of the beauty pageant from the year 2002.
if they used that as the average face, and applied the "hyperfemininity" treatment, they could have come up with an even more stunning looking woman.
that's what Scientific American did for their cover. unfortunately I have not been able to find that cover.
That's most of what me and my partner found for men's perception of women.
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MEN
We also found a lot of interesting info on how women perceive men.
Basically, they prefer a less manly (perceived as reliable) men when they are least fertile, and a slightly more manly men (but still less manly than the average) when they are fertile.
This means that women's instincts would lead her to be with a reliable guy for the long run, but cuckhold him, having the child of a less reliable but better looking guy. Of course with condoms and stuff this does not happen, but would have happened in the hunter gatherer days.
(EDIT: Renigade pointed out that this could be taken as saying that women base their decisions purely from their instincts, which is definitely not what I was trying to say. So to clear that up, what I was trying to say is that these instincts exist in the subconcious, and have an effect on the decisions people make.)
The website I made for all this is not up at the moment, but it will be in a few days. In it are also results from a survey the two of us did in our school.
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LEVELS OF ATTRACTION
one thing to think about is how all of this is related to each sex's input into pregnancy. (think of how a woman is attractive whether she's poor or rich, but a guy is much more attractive (for the long term anyway) if he's rich)
three levels of attraction, no. 3 is much less important than 2 and 1 in the judgement of beauty:
1: biological needs for maximum survival rate of baby: BMI, 2/3 ratio, 22 yrs, skin, bosom
2: good genes and signs of high fertility: symmetry, hyperfemininity of facial features
3: personal preferences (fine tuning): character etc.
think of how you meet a woman: you first see all the aspects of 1, then all the aspects of 2, and only after a long time, all the aspects of 3.
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SURVEY RESULTS
Results from survey of 60 girls aged 16~18 from my school for the guy they want:
1: Social status (popularity in schooltalk) important?:
57% YES, 43% NO
2: Is age important:
20% very, 80% not very, 0% not at all
3: How much taller (or shorter) does he have to be?:
17% 20cm+, 57% 10~20cm, 26% 2~10cm, 0% her height or shorter
4: Is it important that he'll protect you?:
70% YES, 30% not very, 0% NO
5: Does he need to be talkative:
83% YES, 17% NO
6: What is the most important physical aspect of a guy?:
(using a rating of 1 for most important, 6 for least important)
Face: 1.19, Chest: 3.15, Butt: 3.46, hands/feet: 3.81, Legs: 4.11, Body hair: 5.08
(what surprised me was hands/feet being so high)
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SURVEY RESULTS PART 2
Results from survey of 60 guys aged 16~18 from my school for the girl they want:
1. Hair length:
17% short, 83% long
2. Chin:
8% wide, 92% narrow
3. Pamela Anderson with or without implants:
67% With, 33% Without
4. Salary of your wife:
33% Important, 67% Not important
5. Rate the importance of following body parts:
(scale of 1 for most important to 7 for least important)
Face: 1.48, Legs: 3.00, Chest: 3.19, Hips: 4.14, Waist: 4.38, Hair: 4.81, Hands: 6.19
my website on attraction science is up! have a look at it under http://www.student.kuleuven.ac.be/~m0324684/attraction/!
this page only views corretly with Internet Explorer, so I'll make a different version for non IE users....
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
INTRO:
people's perception of beauty is something that came up in a few threads I've participated in.
ever since I did a presentation on the subject of perception of beauty in highschool, I've been quite interested in the psychological side of it. (I guess that and along with the fact that I am a heterosexual guy)
I felt it was better to start a new thread here rather than polute those threads.
The following is what I found while researching for that presentation for Theory of Knowledge (for which I got an excellent grade for my IB). Recipe for your perfect woman is the synthesis of all the stuff I found.
Just want to know other people's thoughts on this. If you agree or disagree, voice your opinion!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MAIN IDEAS
here's what I wrote on the other thread:
after doing a presentation on the subject of perception of beauty for Theory of Knowledge (part of International Baccalaureate), it seemed that what makes a beautiful woman could be pretty easily defined:
although there's slight variances in personal preference, the main issues are the same wherever you're from.
so, recipe for your perfect woman:
take the average of all the women you've ever seen (which would be different for everyone), make eyes larger, eyelashes longer, eyebrows narrower, more arched and further from the eyes, cheek bones more pronounced, nose narrower, chin sharper, jaw shorter and narrower, lips fuller, breasts around C or D cup with nice round shape, waist to butt ratio of 2:3, Body Mass Index of 19~20 kg/m2, perfect facial and body symetry, nice skin, around 22 years old.
there you have it. your personallised perfect woman.
average: extreme features are not good.
facial enhancements: signs of high levels of oestrogen "hyperfemininity"
body features: breasts for feeding baby, hip to ratio of 2:3 is good for childbirth, BMI of 19~20 is sign of youth
perfect symetry: good genes
nice skin: no parasites.
22: rough age of peak fertility
I think Scientific American used this recipe to make a perfect "hyperfemale" face (starting from average face of women from many parts of the world to account for the diverse readers), and indeed it was a very attractive face.
example of near perfect face: Christy Turlington (edit: at 22 yrs)
example of near perfect body: Laetitia Casta (edit: at 22 yrs)
just found a virtual face, which is quite attractive:
virtual Miss Germany 2002
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DISCUSSION
that virtual miss Germany comes from a website of a German university's psychology students' project. I found this website today (07/10/2003), and it is quite good. One thing they mentioned which I did not hear of before was the "baby face" theory.
they made a lot of computer generated faces using Morpher 3, which look totally real, for both attractive and unattractive faces. have a look.
all they did to get that virtual miss Germany was to blend the faces of all contestants of the beauty pageant from the year 2002.
if they used that as the average face, and applied the "hyperfemininity" treatment, they could have come up with an even more stunning looking woman.
that's what Scientific American did for their cover. unfortunately I have not been able to find that cover.
That's most of what me and my partner found for men's perception of women.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MEN
We also found a lot of interesting info on how women perceive men.
Basically, they prefer a less manly (perceived as reliable) men when they are least fertile, and a slightly more manly men (but still less manly than the average) when they are fertile.
This means that women's instincts would lead her to be with a reliable guy for the long run, but cuckhold him, having the child of a less reliable but better looking guy. Of course with condoms and stuff this does not happen, but would have happened in the hunter gatherer days.
(EDIT: Renigade pointed out that this could be taken as saying that women base their decisions purely from their instincts, which is definitely not what I was trying to say. So to clear that up, what I was trying to say is that these instincts exist in the subconcious, and have an effect on the decisions people make.)
The website I made for all this is not up at the moment, but it will be in a few days. In it are also results from a survey the two of us did in our school.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LEVELS OF ATTRACTION
one thing to think about is how all of this is related to each sex's input into pregnancy. (think of how a woman is attractive whether she's poor or rich, but a guy is much more attractive (for the long term anyway) if he's rich)
three levels of attraction, no. 3 is much less important than 2 and 1 in the judgement of beauty:
1: biological needs for maximum survival rate of baby: BMI, 2/3 ratio, 22 yrs, skin, bosom
2: good genes and signs of high fertility: symmetry, hyperfemininity of facial features
3: personal preferences (fine tuning): character etc.
think of how you meet a woman: you first see all the aspects of 1, then all the aspects of 2, and only after a long time, all the aspects of 3.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SURVEY RESULTS
Results from survey of 60 girls aged 16~18 from my school for the guy they want:
1: Social status (popularity in schooltalk) important?:
57% YES, 43% NO
2: Is age important:
20% very, 80% not very, 0% not at all
3: How much taller (or shorter) does he have to be?:
17% 20cm+, 57% 10~20cm, 26% 2~10cm, 0% her height or shorter
4: Is it important that he'll protect you?:
70% YES, 30% not very, 0% NO
5: Does he need to be talkative:
83% YES, 17% NO
6: What is the most important physical aspect of a guy?:
(using a rating of 1 for most important, 6 for least important)
Face: 1.19, Chest: 3.15, Butt: 3.46, hands/feet: 3.81, Legs: 4.11, Body hair: 5.08
(what surprised me was hands/feet being so high)
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SURVEY RESULTS PART 2
Results from survey of 60 guys aged 16~18 from my school for the girl they want:
1. Hair length:
17% short, 83% long
2. Chin:
8% wide, 92% narrow
3. Pamela Anderson with or without implants:
67% With, 33% Without
4. Salary of your wife:
33% Important, 67% Not important
5. Rate the importance of following body parts:
(scale of 1 for most important to 7 for least important)
Face: 1.48, Legs: 3.00, Chest: 3.19, Hips: 4.14, Waist: 4.38, Hair: 4.81, Hands: 6.19
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