PROFESSIONALLY done waterblock testing. (satisfied?) Cheap!

[Excelsior]

I say let him **** away $2,000. I am also building a test bed. But certainly am not going to lable it a professional one. Pretty much have all the parts for die simulator. Have a hydrothruster 525gph variable GPH pump. Just need a decent flow meter and some good thermometers. Will certainly be good enough for my own blocks I make, but I would have reservations about doing someone else's. Especially if they were paying you. Hardest and most expensive part to a professional testbench will be the water temp controller. That will take up a good chunk of your 2g's alone.

Once again. The ONLY reason i am labeling it as professionally done is before the thread i had was just to think bout using a normal cpu and doing it free, but now im using EXPENSIVE and specialised equipment..not a half assed attempt.

And didnt billa have to start smoewhere? i know i will have to gain the trust and respect just saying i hope people consider me

 

[JFettig]

I beleve bill started by doing his testing on his own, not advertizing his business. He didnt start testing blocks for others till a few months ago. He just had his database and knowledge to share of a few waterblocks.

If your really set on doing this, go ahead and try.

how bout sharing your die simulatior idea? how are you gonna keep your water at a constant temp? what pump are you gonna use to pump these blocks?

 

[CustomCooledPC]

Once again. The ONLY reason i am labeling it as professionally done is before the thread i had was just to think bout using a normal cpu and doing it free, but now im using EXPENSIVE and specialised equipment..not a half assed attempt.

And didnt billa have to start smoewhere? i know i will have to gain the trust and respect just saying i hope people consider me

You need more than $2,000 is what I am getting at, in fact there are a couple peices that are at least $2,000 by themselfs if you really want accuracy. Do you understand the qualifications BillA has? Not like he is just a DIY'er you know. There is a reason Swiftech hired him and it isn't just about his test bed.

 

[gone_fishin]

Just because you intend to spend $2000 does not mean it will automatically be above "half assed"

 

[Excelsior]

You need more than $2,000 is what I am getting at, in fact there are a couple peices that are at least $2,000 by themselfs if you really want accuracy. Do you understand the qualifications BillA has? Not like he is just a DIY'er you know. There is a reason Swiftech hired him and it isn't just about his test bed.

yes i know but i have connections to people who own old testing equip that would be willing t give it away cheap.

the pump im going to purchase i am still looking around for the pristine one but I am looking around at a few good GPH adjustable pumps.


STarting temperature will be constant via a weak waterchiller that is more precise than a radiator. I use an accurate thermometer to check the temp of the water. The water does NOT have to remain the same temperature coming from the block obviously because iddfferent blocks will allow the waer to absorb different amounts of heat. however the starting temperature of the watter iwll always be the same.

Right now i dont have much of an idea of what i will use for the simulator itself right now. That actually should be the easy part since my friends most definitely have differnt simullators i can go shopping for. Once i get a firm idea of waht i am going to use as a simulator then i will post it. I m open to suggestions by the way.

 

[Since87]

The water does NOT have to remain the same temperature coming from the block obviously because iddfferent blocks will allow the waer to absorb different amounts of heat.

Different amounts of heat?

Not if your die simulator is of any value.

The fact that you don't realize this does not instill confidence in your testing ability.

 

[Excelsior]

Different amounts of heat?

Not if your die simulator is of any value.

The fact that you don't realize this does not instill confidence in your testing ability.

Umm

ACtually you should think about it...

YOu are wrong.

A MAze 3 will perform so and so on a simulator. While a white water will perform so and so better ona simulator. The white water will remove more heat than the maze 3. the heat is absorbed into the water and therefore if the block performs better more heat will be absorbed into the awter correct? And if more heat is absorbed into the water then the water will be hotter than a worse performing block.

The heat load is constant. IF the white water performs bettter it is absorbing more heat into the water. Thus the temperature of the water coming out of the block is warmer. While a maze 3 performs worse and absorbs less heat into the water . Therefore the temperature of the water after it exits the block will be less than of the white water.

 

[Toysrme]

LoL!
I think he's referring to the water temp as it exits the block scince <he said as he bows to the god of general practical knowledge>

*Edit*
I think scince thought you were talking about the heat of the block. (die sim) In his defence, the sentance was garbled. Don't worry 1/2 my stuff is like that too LoL!

 

[CrashOveride]

Different amounts of heat?

Not if your die simulator is of any value.

The fact that you don't realize this does not instill confidence in your testing ability.

um... actualy the way i understood it he was right.... though it was worded a little badly... the water coming from different blocks would be different temps because of the obvious reason... he didnt (i dont think) meant from teh same block change temps during testing...

 

[Since87]

Umm

ACtually you should think about it...

YOu are wrong.

No, you are wrong. And if you expect to be taken seriously at this, you need to understand why you are wrong and demonstrate that understanding.

You've got a lot of homework ahead of you.

 

[Excelsior]

um... actualy the way i understood it he was right.... though it was worded a little badly... the water coming from different blocks would be different temps because of the obvious reason... he didnt (i dont think) meant from teh same block change temps during testing...

Exactly.

Sorry if my scentences sound a bit garbled or unclear but i am on codine today for my arm..

 

[JFettig]

no, excelsior, he was right, they both remove the same amount of heat, Its just the rate they remove it at.......

 

[Since87]

no, excelsior, he was right, they both remove the same amount of heat, Its just the rate they remove it at.......

Nope, it's not the rate at which they remove the heat.

 

[Excelsior]

No, you are wrong. And if you expect to be taken seriously at this, you need to understand why you are wrong and demonstrate that understanding.

You've got a lot of homework ahead of you.

..................

THINK ABOUT IT

If you have a desig nthat is not not that good at conducting heat.. lets say just a flat surface. Put it on top of a 200 degree F heat load. Enclose it and pass water over it. The water will absorb a certain amount of heat and get heated to a point. And then it will exit from the block. It will be a few degrees more than whenit entered and teh temperature willb e raised. With channels it will get into the channels and absorb more heat effectively COOLING the unit taking more heat away and making the temperature HIGHER of the WATER.

If youa re just going to say "No youi are wrong" its ridiculous. Explain why i am wrong insted of just saying things.

The entire REASON for a WB is to remove heat from a load. IF a WB is deisnged better then it will remove MORE HEAT. The het goes where? Into our water. If it goe sinto our water it heats up the water more.....

 

[Voodoo_fx]

give the man a chance is what I say!
Go ahead and get the stuff man, who gives what these people say, prove them all wrong, theres no hurt in trying!

 

[gone_fishin]

No, heat in always = heat out. A poor waterblock will store more thermal energy in the body of the block over the core (thus keeping the cpu or test die hotter). The reason for a die simulator is to know the specific heat load applied and to limit the secondary heat paths. When equalibrium is established (the block must be allowed to build up its stored thermal energy which will be different for each design), the exiting water temp will be the same from block to block provided the flowrate, incoming coolant temp and applied heatload are the same.

 

[Excelsior]

No, heat in always = heat out. A poor waterblock will store more thermal energy in the body of the block over the core (thus keeping the cpu or test die hotter). The reason for a die simulator is to know the specific heat load applied and to limit the secondary heat paths. When equalibrium is established (the block must be allowed to build up its stored thermal energy which will be different for each design), the exiting water temp will be the same from block to block provided the flowrate, incoming coolant temp and applied heatload are the same.

That is what makes no sense.

With a radiator (or weak chilller in my case) it sheds the heat making it cooler entering the block. Once it gets out of the block it has absorbed heat and then it goes back into the rad and sheds the heat and repeats the cycle...

 

[Since87]

If youa re just going to say "No youi are wrong" its ridiculous. Explain why i am wrong insted of just saying things.

Really xX~EXCELSIOR~Xx, you need to be able to figure this stuff out on your own, if you are going to rise to the challenge of doing quality waterblock testing.

I don't really want to take away the opportunity for you to figure this out on your own, but here's a hint:

The most important characteristics of a waterblock are the C/W vs flowrate curve, and the pressure drop vs flowrate curve.

How is C/W measured? What is the calculation? What values will you hold fixed, and what value will you measure to determine the C/W?

 

[Since87]

give the man a chance is what I say!
Go ahead and get the stuff man, who gives what these people say, prove them all wrong, theres no hurt in trying!

So he should spend his money before understanding the situation well enough to know what he needs? Doesn't seem like very helpful advice you are giving.

 

[gone_fishin]

It's that crowd, the good enough crowd. They want to see shiny waterblocks in their perdyness displayed across a web page attributing great feats of wonder and awe to their likeness, with no attachment to the real world.