Question about y NOT to get a 2100+

[oc jason]

if i get a 2100+ using pc3000 memory, i assume it will boot up at default at 13x133=1730mhz.

well i keep hearing that i will NEED to unlock it to get a good overclock. Is that true, using pc3000 it is supposed to hit at least over 166mhz FSB. So why do i need to unlock it, (yes id like to) but i mean if i jsut increase the FSB to say 170 that gives me 13x170=2.21ghz. Basically i am being told to get a 2000+ instead so i dont have all the hassle of unlocking it as ill have with the 2100+ Please fill me in on what is different between the 2000+ and the 2100+ XP chips.

 

[FIRESTARR357]

Well you don't have to unlock it.But FSB speed does not just stress the memory.Just because your memory can take the high FSB speeds does not mean every thing can.Also from what i hear unlocking a 2100+ is a pain in the @SS .

 

[NeoMoses]

Jason, I wish you the best of luck, but I don't think that you're gonna hit those speeds without serious voltage and cooling. It looks like to go beyond 1900 MHz, you'll probably need over 2.0 Volts to the core, likely more. And to dissipate that kind of heat load you're gonna need a chilled watercooling setup. With all that trouble, You might as well unlock, and have full control over the chip. It will allow you to "dial in" the max possible performance out of your system.

I would actually recommend going with a slower chip, but making sure you get the AGOIA stepping. I know many 1600+ are out with that stepping, and 10.5X170 = 1785 MHz should be very reachable. And if your RAM and PCI/AGP cards could handle it, 10.5X200 = 2100 MHz would be a lofty goal!

I also think there are many false posts in the CPU database. I don't really know why people do this, but here's just one that caught my attention.

1950MHz
2.00VCore
AXIA
Soyo Dragon Plus Using HHC-001 (stable)

This was posted under XP2000+. To my knowledge, the AXIA core was a TBird Core, not Palomino. I also have an AXIA and an HHC-001. It definately can't stay cool at 2.00 VCore. These kinds of things anger me.

 

[Sonny]

if i get a 2100+ using pc3000 memory, i assume it will boot up at default at 13x133=1730mhz.

well i keep hearing that i will NEED to unlock it to get a good overclock. Is that true, using pc3000 it is supposed to hit at least over 166mhz FSB. So why do i need to unlock it, (yes id like to) but i mean if i jsut increase the FSB to say 170 that gives me 13x170=2.21ghz. Basically i am being told to get a 2000+ instead so i dont have all the hassle of unlocking it as ill have with the 2100+ Please fill me in on what is different between the 2000+ and the 2100+ XP chips.

What are you asking really? I would expect the 2100 to overclock better since it came from a batch that tested at higher clockspeeds. If your confident that you can get a lower rated CPU to go past the 2GHz then go right ahead. Unlocking shouldnt be an issue in any of these chips 'cause you will probably run out of clockspeed before you run out of FSB so you know what to do.

Am I just stating the obvious

 

[oc jason]

still i do believe i can get 2 gig on air cooling if i unlock he chip.

THe XP's run cooler than the Tbird i got now, so i can give it more voltage than my tbird and get close to the same temp. The board im getting will do 2.2vcore so that is not a problem. ALso i got Mushkin pc3000 on the way. pc2700 is rated at 166 so pc3000 should be able to run 175. IF i ust run mem at stock speeds of 175 adn dont unlock the chip ill already have. 2275mhz, BUT that is if my cards will take it. I believe they will b/c all i have is a NIC adn a Video card. They so far have take 165 and 169 fsb over a week. And that is only a 1/4 divider, with the 1/5 divider thye will be even MOREin spec and less stressed.

BUt say my mem or som part dont like teh 175. Ill ust go to say 166 adn up the X by one giving me 14x166= 2324mhz.

I got over 400extra mhz out of my tbird, and all i need extra out of thei XP is 260 extra mhz to hit 2 gig, i dont see getting 240 mhz overclock a problem at all using air cooling.

 

[nikhsub1]

What you need to understand about the 2100 is that when you unlock it in the conventional way you get the use of 13x, 13.5, 14 and so on. YOU CAN NOT GO LOWER THAN A 13X MULTI!!!!! That is the big difference between the 2100 and the 2000. All chips below XP2000 can only go to a 12.5 Multi, NO HIGHER. To unlock a 2100 to use LOWER multis, you need to CUT some bridges and FILL others. It is a major PITA!!!! Read this, this should help you out.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1009

 

[oc jason]

still i DO NOT wanna lower the X, i just wanna be able to increse it if my pc3000 will not hit where i want it to.

 

[]-[itman]

Hate the crush your dreams, but hitting 2ghz on even the XP's is pretty much impossible on air. The reason people unlock the 2100+ is because of the 13x multi. There is a way to get lower multi's but it involves cutting bridges. The thing is, to get a better system performance, of course you need higher fsb. Once you get to about 150 fsb you're getting really close to 2ghz. These chips really do need some good voltage and some serious cooling for that. Up until about 1.95 ghz is attainable but difficult with air. Anything beyond that, I don't believe I've seen done. So people use the lower multi's to be able to increase their fsb

 

[]-[itman]

oh, don't let me discourage you from trying. I think it would be a GREAT project. I'm just not sure it's obtainable. I personally would get a 2000+, but that's just me. It would make some great stories

 

[Silver]

cut the bridges and do the mods. This will give you the fsb performance as well. If it is the 8k3a then you are also getting a 1/2.5 agp which will allow the fsb to soar. If I had the money and the chip, I would do it. As for pumping the fsb on stock, Jason.....2.2 Ghz on air? Maybe, who knows. I would do (or if you are nervious pay to have it done...what is it $25 or so dollars) the mod, I swear I would. Remember, you tickle the Devils fanny and you will get away with it many times. It is the fear of the one failure that makes it oc'ing.

 

[oc jason]

Well anyways i didnt get a 2100+ XP, i told myself before i started shopping that i was not gonna go out of pocket to get a chip with the parts i sold. SOOOO i just got a XP1900+, and 256mb Mushkin pc3000. And i got $40 left over to spare. So i think ill still be happy, and i got rid of alot of junk i had also.

 

[Wahoogie]

I'm going to attempt to unlock my 2100+ today.... I'm REALLY nervous but I'll tell you all how it went.... *Crosses fingers...*

 

[Silver]

I'm going to attempt to unlock my 2100+ today.... I'm REALLY nervous but I'll tell you all how it went.... *Crosses fingers...*

Love to hear your results. Take your time and the 'force' be with you.

 

[Silver]

Well anyways i didnt get a 2100+ XP, i told myself before i started shopping that i was not gonna go out of pocket to get a chip with the parts i sold. SOOOO i just got a XP1900+, and 256mb Mushkin pc3000. And i got $40 left over to spare. So i think ill still be happy, and i got rid of alot of junk i had also.

Now Jason, this is the processor that I next expect to get so do let me know the stepping, place of purchase and results. On air...1.9? water 2.0? I know that is pushing but what the heck.

 

[[OC]Lucifer]

Because

If you clock your FSB, you clock all of your hardware, and you wont see any stability with that. Id stick with bumping the mulitplier.
Lucifer

 

[oc jason]

ill let you know of the stepping and how it clocks

on a 2nd note if you have a board with a 1/5 and 1/6 divider you can run at FSB or 180 and have the PCI at 33 which is PERFECTLY in spec. So it will not stress your cards any more than normal speeds

 

[Silver]

ill let you know of the stepping and how it clocks

on a 2nd note if you have a board with a 1/5 and 1/6 divider you can run at FSB or 180 and have the PCI at 33 which is PERFECTLY in spec. So it will not stress your cards any more than normal speeds

Thanks for the info on stepping and clock.

 

[]-[itman]

Re: Because

If you clock your FSB, you clock all of your hardware, and you wont see any stability with that. Id stick with bumping the mulitplier.
Lucifer

Many actually prefer fsb overclocking because it speeds up the entire system. Most hardware will support higher fsb's, if not, a divider like Jason mentioned is a great option. If you bump up your fsb instead of your mult, you'll find your system is faster because not just the chip is running extra fast. Of course, you are right that it can cause problems, but shouldn't do that until you hit 150fsb or above depending on your hardware. Many people will hit the limit of their chips, so they'll lower their mult and keep upping their fsb to get a faster system but still stay within the limit of their chip.

 

[[OC]Lucifer]

Well Ill be darned...

I think I might go try that with my system.