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dutch777

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Dont know if this news has already been reported but thought id post anyways

From an article over at The Firing Squad.
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As far as NVIDIA’s bandwidth claims of GeForce FX’s 48GB/sec memory bandwidth, ATI states that the color compression in their HYPERZ III technology performs the same thing today, and with all of the techniques they use in RADEON 9700, they could claim bandwidth of nearly100GB/sec, but if they did so no one would believe them, hence they’ve stood with offering just shy of 20GB/sec of bandwidth.
Compared to past product launches (and even competing product launches), there weren’t many demos showcasing the new capabilities of GeForce FX. Hopefully, as the demo team logs more time with the card, we’ll see more of GeForce FX’s features in action. On paper, NVIDIA’s latest looks interesting. NV30’s core consists of 125 million transistors, is manufactured on a .13-micron process, and is slated to operate at 500MHz – not bad for such a complex graphics processor. However, its success will depend on a few factors. First, NVIDIA needs to have the card on store shelves by February, as estimated. NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang wouldn’t comment on the initial price of GeForce FX, but it clearly won’t be cheap.
Finally, it will be interesting to see what ATI is up to come February. Word on the street is that ATI’s follow-up to RADEON 9700 PRO (codenamed R350) has taped out recently and will be marketed under the name RADEON 9900. We’ve heard conflicting reports on its manufacturing process, we naturally assumed it would be a 0.13-micron part, but we’ve also been informed by another source that the design is 0.15-micron.
In any case, R350 will certainly boast higher clock speeds and performance, so GeForce FX could be in for quite a battle if it slips any further.

From an article over at Digitimes.
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Though the era of 0.13-micron-process graphics chips was officially launched by Nvidia’s introduction of the GeForce FX (NV30) on November 18, the actual competition will not erupt until the first quarter of 2003.
ATI Technologies and Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) both plan to unveil 0.13-micron graphics chip samples by year-end. However, judging from their progress, the products will not be out in time for Christmas. At Comdex Fall 2002, no supporting graphics cards have been seen either.

From an article over at The Firing Squad.
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The focus of our conversation with ATI was dealing with the misconceptions brought about by NVIDIA during the GeForce FX launch. ATI essentially feels that the RADEON 9700 is a more balanced solution than GeForce FX, which doesn’t have the bandwidth to perform many of the operations it’s boasting at an acceptable frame rate.
For instance, NVIDIA is proud to claim that GeForce FX boasts pixel and vertex shaders that go beyond DirectX 9.0’s specs, yet a 400-500MHz chip with 8 pixel pipelines running very long shaders would spend all of its time in geometry, bringing frame rate to a crawl. ATI feels that with RADEON 9700’s multi-pass capability, having native support for thousands of shaders is useless, as the RADEON 9700 can loopback to perform those operations. ATI ran a demonstration of a space fighter that was rendered using this technique.
 
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ninthebin

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r9900 eh? - why dont they just jump the gun and go r10000 :)

unless they are saving something spectacular for that title...one thing I would like to see emerge in this crazy world of gfx is something like a dual GPU with like one of them dedicated to things like FSAA so when you turn 16x on you get like near zero drop in performance
 

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Dual GPUs would be sweet.

Maybe its time for gfx card makers to create an ultra high end product like a card with dual GPUs and 256 bit DDR-II.

Heck, at $500 I would expect to get more then just your run of the mill high end gfx card.
 

funnyperson1

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OC Noob said:
Dual GPUs would be sweet.

Maybe its time for gfx card makers to create an ultra high end product like a card with dual GPUs and 256 bit DDR-II.

Heck, at $500 I would expect to get more then just your run of the mill high end gfx card.

i dunno, i think 3dfx owned dual gpus lol...the Rage Fury Maxx was a BOMB...performance was on par with competitors but no Win2k support and driver issues galore....i think ati would do better to stick with single gpu:D
 

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if you are looking at bandwidth on the card..notice that the ti4600 is 10.4 (im pretty sure) and can get pretty close to the 9700 performance with 19.5gb/s or whatever...so since the geforcefx has 14.8 or close to that..it will be way faster..which we all know of course..they just need to put it out on the market
 

funnyperson1

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RangerJoe said:
if you are looking at bandwidth on the card..notice that the ti4600 is 10.4 (im pretty sure) and can get pretty close to the 9700 performance with 19.5gb/s or whatever...so since the geforcefx has 14.8 or close to that..it will be way faster..which we all know of course..they just need to put it out on the market

how do you define twice as fast as "pretty close" in any game where the video card is the bottleneck, The 9700 is FAR superior to a 4600
 

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Two top of the line processors (NVidia or ATI, I don't care which) with the bandwidth of 256 bit DDR-II or even GDDR (for ATI) would be killer...IMO.

If they could split the work up efficiently or use 1 GPU for certain tasks and the other for remaining tasks.


I'm sure it would cost way over $500 and no one would buy it because its too expensive, but dreaming is free:)
 

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Go ATi!!!!! I love to hear that they are pumping out great card after great card. I like rooting for the smaller guys.
 

s[H]sIkuA

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But some review said that ATI lack of drivers that it will surely lose the battle with NVidia

Hope they will produce drivers like Nvidia and name it like ATIdetonator or something :D

It will surely beat NVidia by then
 

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ATi has the catalyst drivers which are on par with (if not better then) the dets in every way. Nvidia actually copies a lot of what ATi does with its drivers to include with the dets. The catalyst drivers are updated monthly, prety much the same schedule as Nvidia. I find that most of the people that complain about ATi drivers are people with Nvidia cards... strange.

When ATi released the 9700 they said that there would be a newer version of the 9700 released shortly that would be a 0.15u gpu (not the same GPU though) and would not be called r10000. Maybe this is that card.

ATi has also said that the 9700 is compatable with ddr2 RAM so we could see that on a card soon, however the 9700 clearly has the GFFX beat for raw bandwidth (probably 'effective' bandwidth too) so ATi may not see the need to use DDR2 on a 9700 revision.
 

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ATi has also said that the 9700 is compatable with ddr2 RAM so we could see that on a card soon, however the 9700 clearly has the GFFX beat for raw bandwidth (probably 'effective' bandwidth too) so ATi may not see the need to use DDR2 on a 9700 revision.


Hey thats a good point, DaddyB.

Nice insight:beer:
 

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s[H]sIkuA said:
But some review said that ATI lack of drivers that it will surely lose the battle with NVidia

Hope they will produce drivers like Nvidia and name it like ATIdetonator or something :D

It will surely beat NVidia by then

where have you been all this time? atis catalyst drivers are as good as nvidias detonators. ATIs suckness because of drivers issues is nothing more than a myth right now, must rot in hell IMO
 

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ninthebin said:
r9900 eh? - why dont they just jump the gun and go r10000 :)

unless they are saving something spectacular for that title...one thing I would like to see emerge in this crazy world of gfx is something like a dual GPU with like one of them dedicated to things like FSAA so when you turn 16x on you get like near zero drop in performance


They are saving the best one for the last ;)
 

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Ok, now the big question is if you never intend on buying a card from ATI or Nvidia (you pick which you prefer), why do you keep posting specs on a card you're not even going to buy, that's not even out yet, that could be cut from production for whatever reason? If you were working for either company in the design process, and had some insight as to what the cards are really going to be capable of, I could see your point. But you guys are just posting rumors and speculation. In the end we all still have to wait for the cards to come out and for someone around here to buy one.
 

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i'll try to be the frist to have one and overclock it like mad! :D even though my card is probably even faster than the updated radeon 9700 pro already :)
 

Doofie27cp2

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thats true, they are canadian, because guillmot (maker of 3d prohpet) is based in quebec. And 3d prophet runs off of ATI. This reminds me... 3d PROHET WAS A GREAT CARD! in ym opinion my friend bought the 32 mb one when it was still 300 bucks. It performed bettter than my geforce 2 mx400 64 mb....
 

Ghost68

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well i sure dont regret buying my radeon 9700Pro even if they are gonna release a new card 9700 II, R10000 whatever you want to call it it aint out yet (and wont be for months) so i think it was a good investment
 
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