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Hey guys. i used to spend a lot of time around here back in the socket 939 days and a little bit in the haswell days. Did a few SFF watercooling builds back then im still proud of, but now its more.. sedate.. im not as into the extreme overclocking or crazy small builds ect..
This year id like a new system around a 2700x or 3600 on x570.. prob the x570 elite.. but we will see.

id like to reuse as much of my liquid cooling as possible though i expect to need new hold-down hardware ect.
I have a XSPC OG Raystom id like to use on am4. alternately i have a swiftech Appogee 1u for LGA 775 i wouldn't mind using if i can find the non 1u top for it.. months ago when i looked at this, the parts were available but it seems now not so much lol...
raystorm top would be easy to adapt so id prob go that route... i guess the question i have to ask you fine people in 2019... what are the GO TO pump's on the market? i have a OG D5 pump body but the impeller exploded some time ago so i think i tossed it expecting to find a replacement.. a quick google search says NO YOU CANT HAS... so i also have a xspc dual bay res for d5 that i cant use, since new cases don't have bays lol.. particularly the mesh c im using now.

which d5/ddc based pumpres is recommended? is the d5/ddc still the main go to choice? what alternatives are there in the current market? I have no interest in Aio Cooling and will be cooling a gpu as well. for now i plan to keep my rx580 but would like to buy a 5700xt or similar price/spec card at some point. since TDP hasnt changed super significantly id expect my original black ice pro3 with its high fin density would still be sufficient?

i see a lot of very expensive hardline builds these days which are pretty.. i don't really bother with that stuff though. i use hardware store tubing and old fassioned hose clamps heh. kinda oldschool, looking to stay that way.
 
Yeah D5 or DDC will be fine. Just pick a pump/res combo that fits your budget and you like the look of from a major WC brand and you'll be fine.

TDP no longer really reflects actual power usage for CPUs. Then you overclock and it's really out the window. Is this a 3x120mm rad? If so it may be adequate for a 6 or 8 core Ryzen + 5700Xt.

Although an overclocked 2700X will be pushing things. The lower core count 3000 series Ryzens are pretty low power consumption, but you can budget about 90W for a 3600. (ImportantSide note, the 3900X for example may have a lower 105W TDP but it can draw over 150W overclocked). The 2700/X is capable of drawing 200W overclocked. source. If you happen to be curious about what TDP actually means on these CPUs, you can read about it here.

Some 5700xt cards will also draw in excess of 200W, although for a reference card that is going to be lower. If you follow the 120mm per 100W rule, I could see you easily pushing 400W with some of the configurations that you're considering, which would exceed the capacity of the (I'm assuming 360mm) rad you have. Of course you are not into extreme OC, but to me "extreme" = sub ambient cooling. If it means you don't plan to overclock, then you'll be fine. But if you're like me, once you get your hand on the stuff it will be a different story and you'll want to see what it can really do.
 
ahaha. i wont say ill never overclock it. though im not buying things with the explicit desire to do so this time. the boost clocks for the cpus im looking at will be more than adequate for general use, light cad, design work and the types of games i play. i dont expect to flood the setup with any kind of serious sustained load as electricity costs quite a lot where i live and i dont make money from my computer.

Black ice pro 3 is a 360mm rad with a low profile but dense fins. I might replace this rad with a more current 360 but then it might not fit in the case with fans. the pro model with 25mm fans would be ideal, though i could add a 240 up top as well if i ran into capacity limits.

the general consensus seems to be to buy a 3600 and be done with it... i prob will but every now and then i see 2700's pop up for around $150 cdn. a 3600 with tax would be around $300. so that savings could go into better ram, faster ssd or more storage, toward a better monitor ect.
 
Yeah for that price difference it's tough unless you have things that are specifically very IPC or clock speed dependent. Better ram is not so much an issue, Zen+ 3200MHz and Zen2 3600MHz are your sweet spots. For 2700 the boost clock is 200MHz slower and the base clock is 600MHz slower. I would take a look at how it handles multi core loads before pulling the trigger since the base-boost gap is a lot higher. If it can run 3900MHz+ all core or close to it then you should be golden, but if the all core is closer to 3500MHz I'd pass. The reason I'm worried about this is the 65W TDP. I posted before how in Zen2 this doesn't impact power draw, however I'm not sure if this CPU will have a lower power limit for all core boost in stock config. I have a feeling it might but we don't see a lot of people running the non-X Zen+ CPUs stock. You could also manually overclock it to probably 4.2GHz but again that will be nearly 200W under all core load. I'm sure you could find a more balanced / modest OC around 3.9 or 4.0 GHz, however you're still not going to be anywhere near 65W.

I'm really no expert on the older rads, but I wouldn't fuss too much over replacing it. If you were to spend money on a radiator I would suggest additional capacity. Of course if you're spending the money saved from getting a 2700 vs a 3600 to cool it, then that makes no sense whatsoever.
 
its a pretty rare price to find a used one in my region, and i typically dont trust people when they are trying to sell things, particularly on facebook heh.. ill prob buy all new, current gen stuff.. just save my pennies a few weeks longer is all.
I was considering the apogee drive to keep things simple but im not sure id like to have the most critical part of a loop so close to the heat source.. i typically run my pumps AFTER the rad which may or may not have an influence on life. my last d5 lasted almost 10 years and only failed as the plastic in the impeller itself failed where it rides the ceramic bearing.
the swiftech maelstrom is appealing for simplicity and aesthetics.. not the cheapest but swiftech has a pretty good history of quality. hopefully that hasn't changed.
 
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