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DarkWhite

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Since I'm new to folding and I'm not sure of the standards I was wondering what kind of PPD I should be getting with my setup, and if there's anyway to optimise it.
First of all, I'm getting about 4200 PPD folding on my P2 965 and an HD 4850.
Second is my current setup, and feel free to laugh, but don't reply unless you intend to help.
I started folding using the Standard F@H for my CPU only.
I then added my GPU, using one of the clients available off the F@H site.
I then read the guide about installation, and proceeded to add NotFred's on 2 VM's, each using 2 cores, as that's what the guide said.

My current output (via FahMon) is
CPU-120 PPD
GPU-950 PPD
VM1-1435 PPD
VM2-1685 PPD

I am willing to change things around, as long as it's cleary explained, and I can keep my existing OS.
 
If you are running VM's you can do away with the windows client, which I am guessing you have labeled as CPU. It should free up the CPU a little bit so that the VM's can produce more PPD. I don't really know ATI's numbers, but I am sure someone will be along shortly to chime in.
 
If you are using 2 cores per NotFred's VM, then you may want to stop the single cpu client, as it is probably a) killing your GFX card output, and b) slowing your VMs down.
 
did that, waiting For FahMon to realize that one client has dissappeared :p

EDIT: Roughly the same PPD as before, 4210, VM's at 1720,1430
 
Okay, now HFM has alerted me to the fact that my names were not all the same (DOH!)
So I go to change them in the VM's and they change, and then switch back (DOH!)
It's reporting that they're folding, for T32, but it's not under my username.
 
Okay that's sorted, but now one's runnning in standard, and one's running SMP's, and the settings are Exactly the same.
 
Where are you looking to see if the settings are exactly the same?

Because 99.9% of the time, that's not the case. :)

one place to check right off, is the FAHlog.txt file, right at the time that you started or re-started, the last WU.

That first 50 lines or so of output has a lot of information. If you'll paste it into this thread, I'll be glad to look it over - for both folding clients.

Next, is the client.cfg file for both clients. Paste it up as well, if you would.

The number of the client, should be different for each one, of course (1-16 iirc), with gpu's getting #3 by default.

Usually, it's a typo of some sort - like SMP instead of smp (yes, they are case sensitive) or -smp (which is correct), is typed in as - smp (one extra space). Things like that.
 
The way I have it set up was through the NotFred client for virtual machines, I don't really type anything anywhere.
I'm looking at the webpage for remote setup, (192.168.0.*) and all are exactly the same.
The commands that HFM.net is sowing are -local, and -forceasm on both.
One has -smp2 (possibly with a space). The other does not.
-smp2 is running async
not -smp2 is running noframetimes
-smp2 is just under 2k PPD
not -smp2 is at about 400 PPD

SMP2:
Log
--- Opening Log file [December 16 23:48:05]


# SMP Client ##################################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.02

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: /etc/folding/1
Executable: ./fah6
Arguments: -local -forceasm -smp 2

Warning:
By using the -forceasm flag, you are overriding
safeguards in the program. If you did not intend to
do this, please restart the program without -forceasm.
If work units are not completing fully (and particularly
if your machine is overclocked), then please discontinue
use of the flag.

[23:48:05] - Ask before connecting: No
[23:48:05] - User name: DarkWhite (Team 32)
[23:48:05] - User ID: F65133A42E07E7A
[23:48:05] - Machine ID: 1
[23:48:05]
[23:48:05] Loaded queue successfully.
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[23:48:05] At least 4 processors must be requested.Core required: FahCore_a2.exe
[23:48:05] Core not found.
[23:48:05] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[23:48:05] - Attempting to download new core...
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[23:48:08] Verifying core Core_a2.fah...
[23:48:08] Signature is VALID
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[23:48:08] Trying to unzip core FahCore_a2.exe
[23:48:09] Decompressed FahCore_a2.exe (5509624 bytes) successfully
[23:48:09] + Core successfully engaged
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[23:48:14] + Processing work unit
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[23:48:14] Core found.
[23:48:14] Working on Unit 03 [December 16 23:48:14]
[23:48:14] + Working ...
[23:48:14]
[23:48:14] *------------------------------*
[23:48:14] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[23:48:14] Version 2.10 (Sun Aug 30 03:43:28 CEST 2009)
[23:48:14]
[23:48:14] Preparing to commence simulation
[23:48:14] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[23:48:23] - Assembly optimizations manually forced on.
[23:48:23] - Not checking prior termination.
[23:48:25] - Expanded 4845787 -> 23999905 (decompressed 495.2 percent)
[23:48:25] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=4845787 data_size=23999905, decompressed_data_size=23999905 diff=0
[23:48:25] - Digital signature verified
[23:48:25]
[23:48:25] Project: 2675 (Run 1, Clone 294, Gen 194)
[23:48:25]
[23:48:25] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[23:48:25] Entering M.D.
[23:48:31] Using Gromacs checkpoints
[23:48:32] Multi-core optimizations on
[23:48:36] Resuming from checkpoint
[23:48:36] Verified work/wudata_03.log
[23:48:36] Verified work/wudata_03.trr
[23:48:36] Verified work/wudata_03.xtc
[23:48:36] Verified work/wudata_03.edr
[23:48:37] Completed 172980 out of 250000 steps (69%)
[00:01:01] Completed 175000 out of 250000 steps (70%)
[00:16:18] Completed 177500 out of 250000 steps (71%)
[00:31:00] Completed 180000 out of 250000 steps (72%)
[00:46:53] Completed 182500 out of 250000 steps (73%)
CFG
[settings]
username=DarkWhite
team=32

asknet=no
bigpackets=big
machineid=1

[http]
active=no
host=localhost
port=8080

[core]
checkpoint=15

[clienttype]
type=3
Not SMP2
Log
--- Opening Log file [December 17 00:46:04]


# Linux Console Edition #######################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.02

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: /etc/folding/1
Executable: ./fah6
Arguments: -local -forceasm

Warning:
By using the -forceasm flag, you are overriding
safeguards in the program. If you did not intend to
do this, please restart the program without -forceasm.
If work units are not completing fully (and particularly
if your machine is overclocked), then please discontinue
use of the flag.

[00:46:04] - Ask before connecting: No
[00:46:04] - User name: DarkWhite (Team 32)
[00:46:04] - User ID: 511859BE24CD3867
[00:46:04] - Machine ID: 1
[00:46:04]
[00:46:04] Loaded queue successfully.
[00:46:04]
[00:46:04] + Processing work unit
[00:46:04] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[00:46:04] Core not found.
[00:46:04] - Core is not present or corrupted.
[00:46:04] - Attempting to download new core...
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[00:46:06] Verifying core Core_78.fah...
[00:46:06] Signature is VALID
[00:46:06]
[00:46:06] Trying to unzip core FahCore_78.exe
[00:46:07] Decompressed FahCore_78.exe (3435296 bytes) successfully
[00:46:07] + Core successfully engaged
[00:46:12]
[00:46:12] + Processing work unit
[00:46:12] Core required: FahCore_78.exe
[00:46:12] Core found.
[00:46:12] Working on Unit 05 [December 17 00:46:12]
[00:46:12] + Working ...
[00:46:12]
[00:46:12] *------------------------------*
[00:46:12] Folding@Home Gromacs Core
[00:46:12] Version 1.90 (March 8, 2006)
[00:46:12]
[00:46:12] Preparing to commence simulation
[00:46:12] - Ensuring status. Please wait.
[00:46:29] - Assembly optimizations manually forced on.
[00:46:29] - Not checking prior termination.
[00:46:29] - Expanded 464078 -> 2244013 (decompressed 483.5 percent)
[00:46:29]
[00:46:29] Project: 6316 (Run 257, Clone 2, Gen 14)
[00:46:29]
[00:46:29] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[00:46:29] Entering M.D.
[00:46:49] (Starting from checkpoint)
[00:46:49] Protein: p6316_sh3_with_ALA_frags
[00:46:49]
[00:46:49] Writing local files
[00:46:49] Completed 15000 out of 500000 steps (3%)
[00:46:49] Extra SSE boost OK.
CFG
[settings]
username=DarkWhite
team=32

asknet=no
bigpackets=big
machineid=1

[http]
active=no
host=localhost
port=8080

[core]
checkpoint=15

[clienttype]
type=3

Hope that's enough for ya ;)
 
OK, I'm a little off in the weeds here maybe? You have one -smp 2 client, and you have one non smp client.

Of course, they will be folding at different rates, with different WU's, and earning different points per day.

SMP WU's are worth a lot more than the 1 core WU's, and fold faster as well.

This says it all:


Arguments: -local -forceasm
Arguments: -local -forceasm -smp 2

Yes, there is one space between the p and the 2, and that is as it should be.
 
If you want to maximize your points, you need VMware player 3.0.0 and one 4 core SMP VM + GPU. If the 4850 were running without a VM or other client, it would make about 2000 ppd. You obviously have a priority conflict.
Finish the WUs you're running on one of the VMs and the CPU client and close them. Reconfigure the remaining VM (get VM Player if you don't have it) for four cores and be sure to reconfig notfreds to run one SMP instance per four cores. Edit the .vmx file (VMware configuration file) to add the line: priority.ungrabbed = "idle". Keep the VM minimized. Run FAH gpu configuration and in the advanced config, set priority to low (slightly higher if you're using systray). You should make at least 1000 ppd more than you are currently getting.

Since you're on ATi, you're going to need to add the following environment variables:

CAL_NO_FLUSH set the value to 1
CAL_PRE_FLUSH set the value to 1
BROOK_YEILD set the value to 2
FLUSH_INTERVAL set the value to 128

If the GPU uses more than 5% of the cpu resources, increase the flush interval. I recommend no more than increments of 16. If you go too high you'll suffer VPU recovers.
 
Thanks ChasR, just one question.
Should the GPU running in the VM, and if so how do I set that up.
If not, where is the files I need to edit to add those lines?
Thanks much,
Darks
 
Run the GPU in windows. THe gpu won't run in a VM as far as I know and you wouldn't want to do it if it would anyway.
 
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