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I only have one 12v2x6 connection, and it seems pretty solid. It seems as well engineered as any other plug. I get how the first iteration might have sucked, but this one seems solid?
 
I haven't been following Nvidia's BS performance claims on the 50 series too much, I wait until the cards are out and severely benchmarked but I do have one question regarding use cases i.e folding or lets say video encoding for that matter. If the only thing that allows a 5080 and lower card compete with it's 40 series counterpart is by using dlss and frame gen then I'm starting to question if these cards will be any use for anything other than gaming? Maybe the 5090 will have the raw horsepower needed for folding and stuff but anything lower I don't see them being a whole letter better when you take away the AI stuff. Anyone else suspicions?
 
Let me know if this is nuts but what if nvidia reflex 2 frame warp effectively turns fake frames into real frames? They say it reads the future and inserts frames to correspond with in game actions like aiming crosshairs. If that's the case then 15 fps turned into 60 fps with fake frames could possibly feel like 60 fps? Looks like it's being released for mostly certain competitive shooters but it seems like it would be useful for any game with demanding graphics as well unless I'm not really getting it.

 
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Let me know if this is nuts but what if nvidia reflex 2 frame warp effectively turns fake frames into real frames? They say it reads the future and inserts frames to correspond with in game actions like aiming crosshairs. If that's the case then 15 fps turned into 60 fps with fake frames could possibly feel like 60 fps? Looks like it's being released for mostly certain competitive shooters but it seems like it would be useful for any game with demanding graphics as well unless I'm not really getting it.

Personally I think its mostly jealous 40 series owners (who regret their purchase) & amd fanboys that call this technology "fake frames". I think it's highly advanced and DLSS has changed the landscape of PC graphics.
That being said, both frame generation and standard DLSS have issues.
From my experience with Cyberpunk, Frame Generation massively increases average FPS but the minimum FPS is much lower (like ~150 FPS average, ~90 min FPS), so you get a lot of stutter.
As for DLSS, on my VR flight simulator I always go back-and-forth between DLSS and MSAA. DLSS provides increased performance and rounds out the scenery nicely at the cost of ghosting, so when other planes pass me, they have a blurred trail like a comet. Meanwhile MSAA is significantly more demanding but also provides better clarity.
I also hate to say it, but I think games from 2024 are not that much better looking than games from 2018, some games are just needlessly demanding.
Personally I'm excited for 50 series release, but mostly for 5080. If 5080 = 4090, people will be getting incredible performance for just $999. We'll have to wait and see if the 5090 is that much faster on raster than the 4090. If it's ~30%, it might just be the 1080Ti -> 2080Ti situation.
 
Personally I think its mostly jealous 40 series owners (who regret their purchase) & amd fanboys that call this technology "fake frames". I think it's highly advanced and DLSS has changed the landscape of PC graphics.
That being said, both frame generation and standard DLSS have issues.
From my experience with Cyberpunk, Frame Generation massively increases average FPS but the minimum FPS is much lower (like ~150 FPS average, ~90 min FPS), so you get a lot of stutter.
As for DLSS, on my VR flight simulator I always go back-and-forth between DLSS and MSAA. DLSS provides increased performance and rounds out the scenery nicely at the cost of ghosting, so when other planes pass me, they have a blurred trail like a comet. Meanwhile MSAA is significantly more demanding but also provides better clarity.
I also hate to say it, but I think games from 2024 are not that much better looking than games from 2018, some games are just needlessly demanding.
Personally I'm excited for 50 series release, but mostly for 5080. If 5080 = 4090, people will be getting incredible performance for just $999. We'll have to wait and see if the 5090 is that much faster on raster than the 4090. If it's ~30%, it might just be the 1080Ti -> 2080Ti situation.
I'm on 3080 ti, I'm hoping to hell that the 5080 lives up to the hype but I need the card for folding which isn't helped at all by the trickery, if I was still into 100% gaming i'd be all in on a 5080 without question but I've seen a few leaked screenshots as I'm sure most of the people here have and without the frame gen and dlss the results leave me pondering at how much of an upgrade will this card actually be?
 
I'm on 3080 ti, I'm hoping to hell that the 5080 lives up to the hype but I need the card for folding which isn't helped at all by the trickery, if I was still into 100% gaming i'd be all in on a 5080 without question but I've seen a few leaked screenshots as I'm sure most of the people here have and without the frame gen and dlss the results leave me pondering at how much of an upgrade will this card actually be?
I'm not sure how you're coming to this worry/conclusion. It's (5080) going to fold and game and encode like a champ. If you made me place money on it... I'd say 4090 performance levels with like settings.
 
If the only thing that allows a 5080 and lower card compete with it's 40 series counterpart is by using dlss and frame gen then I'm starting to question if these cards will be any use for anything other than gaming?
Look at the core counts. 5080 is about 10% higher than 4080(S) at similar claimed clocks. Unless the cores themselves have regressed, that should give a ball park.

Let me know if this is nuts but what if nvidia reflex 2 frame warp effectively turns fake frames into real frames?
To my understanding it is correcting the latest rendered frame for any camera movement since the frame was started, so the appearance of it is closer to what would be happening if you started rendering at that time. Note what it can't and doesn't do is update what is in the world at that time. So if the target you're shooting at moves, that is still from the start of the original render.

Some have pointed out this type of frame warping has been around for many years in the VR space. I think it was introduced by the Oculus range allowing VR to run on lower hardware since you have to maintain a high frame rate in that use case. The question is how do you solve for the missing data due to the warping.

I also hate to say it, but I think games from 2024 are not that much better looking than games from 2018, some games are just needlessly demanding.
Rendering techniques have changed a lot in that time. Out of interest, what do you think are the best examples of gaming graphics from 2018?

I'm not sure how you're coming to this worry/conclusion. It's (5080) going to fold and game and encode like a champ. If you made me place money on it... I'd say 4090 performance levels with like settings.
As far as I've bothered to test, every gen bought about with it some nice improvements in compute throughput and efficiency, more so than looking at gaming numbers would suggest.
 
Look at the core counts. 5080 is about 10% higher than 4080(S) at similar claimed clocks. Unless the cores themselves have regressed, that should give a ball park.


To my understanding it is correcting the latest rendered frame for any camera movement since the frame was started, so the appearance of it is closer to what would be happening if you started rendering at that time. Note what it can't and doesn't do is update what is in the world at that time. So if the target you're shooting at moves, that is still from the start of the original render.

Some have pointed out this type of frame warping has been around for many years in the VR space. I think it was introduced by the Oculus range allowing VR to run on lower hardware since you have to maintain a high frame rate in that use case. The question is how do you solve for the missing data due to the warping.


Rendering techniques have changed a lot in that time. Out of interest, what do you think are the best examples of gaming graphics from 2018?


As far as I've bothered to test, every gen bought about with it some nice improvements in compute throughput and efficiency, more so than looking at gaming numbers would suggest.
The Witcher 3 (2015), Red Dead Redemption 2 (2019), Assassin's Creed Odyssey (2018) are all beautiful games that came out before the DLSS era and will run on any 3000 series card at 4k 100FPS with nearly highest settings. Meanwhile Cyberpunk (which is the most demanding game of the current era), runs on like 40-50 FPS without DLSS on my 4090 @ 2k. That's because of Ray tracing.
Back when I got my 8800GTS and I ran Crysis for the first time, I felt "Wow, they really took a step forward".
I've owned pretty much every recent flagship - 1080Ti, 2080s, 2080Ti, 3080Ti, 4090. 1080Ti was a great card because it ran all the games I mentioned earlier on high settings with high FPS, that's something the 900 series struggled with. 4090 is a great card because it runs my PCVR flight simulator well. But the 2080Ti, 3080Ti, did they make things much better... I don't know.
 
The Witcher 3 (2015), Red Dead Redemption 2 (2019), Assassin's Creed Odyssey (2018) are all beautiful games that came out before the DLSS era and will run on any 3000 series card at 4k 100FPS with nearly highest settings. Meanwhile Cyberpunk (which is the most demanding game of the current era), runs on like 40-50 FPS without DLSS on my 4090 @ 2k. That's because of Ray tracing.
To me Witcher 3 doesn't look as good as CP2077, showing its age a little. Still great, but things have moved on. I wonder how much performance gap you'd see if you also compared like for like. That is RT off vs RT off, and RT on vs RT on (PT or not). The later RT patch to it certainly helped bring it up to current era. Devs have had decades to find ways to make raster look good, which can narrow the perceived quality gap to RT. Some may prefer it over more "realistic". This talk has given me an itch. I might have to reinstall Witcher 3 and see how it runs on my current system.

Can't really talk about the other two since I never looked at them closely. I recall RDR2 looked good on launch, but westerns aren't my thing. AC... is that still a thing? Feels like Ubisoft have been unintentionally trying to kill it forever.

Edit: I reloaded Witcher 3 and walked around a little. 7800X3D+4070 4k display: Ultra 60-65fps, Ultra RT 30-35fps. No upscaling or FG. My memory was off. This is very visibly a game from a past era. The world is pretty low poly count, and textures are rather basic by current standards. Chinese mobile games of today look better.
 
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Witcher 3 is old and no longer look any special. The graphics have been improved multiple times since its release. I guess people live with memories as when it was released, it was exceptional. On the other hand, most new games still look worse.
CP2077 had only RT in some water spots after release. Everything else was "fake" RT. Later they improved many things, but they had time for that. I wasn't following much as, for me, this game was dead since release ... until we decided to use it as a benchmark for reviews. For the first year, the game was barely playable. It's probably the biggest premiere fail in history. Now it has over 4 years, and the amount of fixes and patches was so long that they could make a new game in this time. Again... it has 4 years, but how many games look better? It's not about how good this game is, but how pathetic the games market is nowadays. Only check Steam premieres. On TPU is a weekly games premiere post. Multiple times, I saw something like sorry, but there is nothing except indie or hentai stuff.

Ubisoft has been milking the same ideas for years like FarCry or AC. Their new games remind their other or older games like the last Star Wars game or Avatar. New, but somehow, you feel like you saw it somewhere. If I'm right, the new AC will be released in 3-4 months.
RDR2 was released late for PC, and it doesn't look so great anymore. It was great when it was released (and it was killing PS consoles :LOL:).

Bethesda's fails are already legendary. Starfield not only doesn't look great but has been causing problems for months. They totally wasted Fallout's potential. I wait for any good Fallout game for many years. The new Indiana Jones seems good, but I wasn't reading the comments, so no idea if there are any issues. DOOM:The Dark Ages looks not bad, but I'm not really into games like that.

I still wonder what people will play on their brand new RTX5090, so it's worth spending $2k+ ;)
 
I'm going to try to get a 5090 as soon as possible unless it's being scalped to oblivion or reviews are poor. Will post results.
 
Microcenter sent out a note saying that all stores will do in store purchase only. Great move and I guess I'll need a tent.
We only had about 20 folks lined up last year for Super's and Super Ti's the following week. They had plenty of SKU's . I got there a half hour before opening but folks sat in their cars till about 10 min before opening. When the first person got out of their car we all hustled to the door. :D I expect the same. I wouldn't camp out even if I was camping out.:D

This is the St Davids location outside Villanova. It was fun chatting with RL PC folks.
 
We only had about 20 folks lined up last year for Super's and Super Ti's the following week. They had plenty of SKU's . I got there a half hour before opening but folks sat in their cars till about 10 min before opening. When the first person got out of their car we all hustled to the door. :D I expect the same. I wouldn't camp out even if I was camping out.:D

This is the St Davids location outside Villanova. It was fun chatting with RL PC folks.
Same at the Ohio MC... just a few people in line (2 dozen)...once the levee broke, then everyone crawled out of their cars.
 
Same at the Ohio MC... just a few people in line (2 dozen)...once the levee broke, then everyone crawled out of their cars.

I wonder how many cards they will have in-stock to make a trip worthwhile up Bethel early in the morning. Otherwise may just play the hotstock/discord notification gamble game
 

5090 reviews a week early and 5080 on launch day, it appears?
 
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