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Personally I think its mostly jealous 40 series owners (who regret their purchase) & amd fanboys that call this technology "fake frames". I think it's highly advanced and DLSS has changed the landscape of PC graphics.Let me know if this is nuts but what if nvidia reflex 2 frame warp effectively turns fake frames into real frames? They say it reads the future and inserts frames to correspond with in game actions like aiming crosshairs. If that's the case then 15 fps turned into 60 fps with fake frames could possibly feel like 60 fps? Looks like it's being released for mostly certain competitive shooters but it seems like it would be useful for any game with demanding graphics as well unless I'm not really getting it.
I'm on 3080 ti, I'm hoping to hell that the 5080 lives up to the hype but I need the card for folding which isn't helped at all by the trickery, if I was still into 100% gaming i'd be all in on a 5080 without question but I've seen a few leaked screenshots as I'm sure most of the people here have and without the frame gen and dlss the results leave me pondering at how much of an upgrade will this card actually be?Personally I think its mostly jealous 40 series owners (who regret their purchase) & amd fanboys that call this technology "fake frames". I think it's highly advanced and DLSS has changed the landscape of PC graphics.
That being said, both frame generation and standard DLSS have issues.
From my experience with Cyberpunk, Frame Generation massively increases average FPS but the minimum FPS is much lower (like ~150 FPS average, ~90 min FPS), so you get a lot of stutter.
As for DLSS, on my VR flight simulator I always go back-and-forth between DLSS and MSAA. DLSS provides increased performance and rounds out the scenery nicely at the cost of ghosting, so when other planes pass me, they have a blurred trail like a comet. Meanwhile MSAA is significantly more demanding but also provides better clarity.
I also hate to say it, but I think games from 2024 are not that much better looking than games from 2018, some games are just needlessly demanding.
Personally I'm excited for 50 series release, but mostly for 5080. If 5080 = 4090, people will be getting incredible performance for just $999. We'll have to wait and see if the 5090 is that much faster on raster than the 4090. If it's ~30%, it might just be the 1080Ti -> 2080Ti situation.
I'm not sure how you're coming to this worry/conclusion. It's (5080) going to fold and game and encode like a champ. If you made me place money on it... I'd say 4090 performance levels with like settings.I'm on 3080 ti, I'm hoping to hell that the 5080 lives up to the hype but I need the card for folding which isn't helped at all by the trickery, if I was still into 100% gaming i'd be all in on a 5080 without question but I've seen a few leaked screenshots as I'm sure most of the people here have and without the frame gen and dlss the results leave me pondering at how much of an upgrade will this card actually be?
Look at the core counts. 5080 is about 10% higher than 4080(S) at similar claimed clocks. Unless the cores themselves have regressed, that should give a ball park.If the only thing that allows a 5080 and lower card compete with it's 40 series counterpart is by using dlss and frame gen then I'm starting to question if these cards will be any use for anything other than gaming?
To my understanding it is correcting the latest rendered frame for any camera movement since the frame was started, so the appearance of it is closer to what would be happening if you started rendering at that time. Note what it can't and doesn't do is update what is in the world at that time. So if the target you're shooting at moves, that is still from the start of the original render.Let me know if this is nuts but what if nvidia reflex 2 frame warp effectively turns fake frames into real frames?
Rendering techniques have changed a lot in that time. Out of interest, what do you think are the best examples of gaming graphics from 2018?I also hate to say it, but I think games from 2024 are not that much better looking than games from 2018, some games are just needlessly demanding.
As far as I've bothered to test, every gen bought about with it some nice improvements in compute throughput and efficiency, more so than looking at gaming numbers would suggest.I'm not sure how you're coming to this worry/conclusion. It's (5080) going to fold and game and encode like a champ. If you made me place money on it... I'd say 4090 performance levels with like settings.
The Witcher 3 (2015), Red Dead Redemption 2 (2019), Assassin's Creed Odyssey (2018) are all beautiful games that came out before the DLSS era and will run on any 3000 series card at 4k 100FPS with nearly highest settings. Meanwhile Cyberpunk (which is the most demanding game of the current era), runs on like 40-50 FPS without DLSS on my 4090 @ 2k. That's because of Ray tracing.Look at the core counts. 5080 is about 10% higher than 4080(S) at similar claimed clocks. Unless the cores themselves have regressed, that should give a ball park.
To my understanding it is correcting the latest rendered frame for any camera movement since the frame was started, so the appearance of it is closer to what would be happening if you started rendering at that time. Note what it can't and doesn't do is update what is in the world at that time. So if the target you're shooting at moves, that is still from the start of the original render.
Some have pointed out this type of frame warping has been around for many years in the VR space. I think it was introduced by the Oculus range allowing VR to run on lower hardware since you have to maintain a high frame rate in that use case. The question is how do you solve for the missing data due to the warping.
Rendering techniques have changed a lot in that time. Out of interest, what do you think are the best examples of gaming graphics from 2018?
As far as I've bothered to test, every gen bought about with it some nice improvements in compute throughput and efficiency, more so than looking at gaming numbers would suggest.
To me Witcher 3 doesn't look as good as CP2077, showing its age a little. Still great, but things have moved on. I wonder how much performance gap you'd see if you also compared like for like. That is RT off vs RT off, and RT on vs RT on (PT or not). The later RT patch to it certainly helped bring it up to current era. Devs have had decades to find ways to make raster look good, which can narrow the perceived quality gap to RT. Some may prefer it over more "realistic". This talk has given me an itch. I might have to reinstall Witcher 3 and see how it runs on my current system.The Witcher 3 (2015), Red Dead Redemption 2 (2019), Assassin's Creed Odyssey (2018) are all beautiful games that came out before the DLSS era and will run on any 3000 series card at 4k 100FPS with nearly highest settings. Meanwhile Cyberpunk (which is the most demanding game of the current era), runs on like 40-50 FPS without DLSS on my 4090 @ 2k. That's because of Ray tracing.
We only had about 20 folks lined up last year for Super's and Super Ti's the following week. They had plenty of SKU's . I got there a half hour before opening but folks sat in their cars till about 10 min before opening. When the first person got out of their car we all hustled to the door.Microcenter sent out a note saying that all stores will do in store purchase only. Great move and I guess I'll need a tent.
Same at the Ohio MC... just a few people in line (2 dozen)...once the levee broke, then everyone crawled out of their cars.We only had about 20 folks lined up last year for Super's and Super Ti's the following week. They had plenty of SKU's . I got there a half hour before opening but folks sat in their cars till about 10 min before opening. When the first person got out of their car we all hustled to the door.I expect the same. I wouldn't camp out even if I was camping out.
This is the St Davids location outside Villanova. It was fun chatting with RL PC folks.
Same at the Ohio MC... just a few people in line (2 dozen)...once the levee broke, then everyone crawled out of their cars.