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Woomack said:
Even if your prices are so high, then it doesn't mean you can't order anything from other countries. Typically, you will pay only the difference in tax and duty costs, so maybe 5% more.
I also doubt that prices will be so high unless stores are scalpers.
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This is business as usual in Europe. I've been saying this for YEARRRRS now.

I mean... you'd have to be completely insane to think the markup here is just "5% more".

Just go on Amazon.fr or Amazon.es or Amazon.de.... (Also mediamarkt.de and saturn.de fnac.com boulanger.com etc...)

When everyone was talking about $700 3080 FE cards... I was looking at between $850-1050 in the actual stores in Germany.

I really don't expect it to be any different this time around...
 
Considering tax in the EU is ~20%, plus shipping, etc, not necessarily worth the import. Hence previous comments made about the next time I’m in the US.

So your $2000 is £1622 x.20 and you’re right off the bat even more than the £1939 the list price is in the UK. Plus shipping and other fees.

Maybe there are better options, but into the EU…not likely.
 
Chances of getting a 50 series on launch just dropped. AMD said their availability is from MARCH! I was kinda hoping AMD would get out first and soak up some demand given reports GPUs are already physically at retailers. I just hope this doesn't impact 5080 too much as that's likely a higher tier than an AMD buyer would look at, so the main competition will be other nvidia buyers.

5080, 5090: Jan 30
5070, 5070 Ti: February some time
9070 family?: March some time

Unwritten rule about time frames: assume the end of the period if not specified more exactly. That is, month end in this case. Great if earlier, but don't get your hopes up.
 
rainless said:
This is business as usual in Europe. I've been saying this for YEARRRRS now.

I mean... you'd have to be completely insane to think the markup here is just "5% more".

Just go on Amazon.fr or Amazon.es or Amazon.de.... (Also mediamarkt.de and saturn.de fnac.com boulanger.com etc...)

When everyone was talking about $700 3080 FE cards... I was looking at between $850-1050 in the actual stores in Germany.

I really don't expect it to be any different this time around...
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Maybe I will draw it next time. Nowadays, everything you order and send to the EU includes your VAT. If you order from Asia, or US then you add your VAT, and large stores add it for you at the checkout. I said you would pay maybe 5% more because of duty and other costs while importing it from another country, as this is the typical cost. I didn't say 5% over MSRP. I replied to a weirdly high prices that yoadknux has.
If someone lives outside the EU, they still have to add VAT and duty/import fees. This has been normal for ages, and MSRP has always been a price without tax.

FE cards from any store other than Nvidia were all overpriced. The same was for RTX3000 and RTX4000. Also, the RTX3000 series was popular somewhere between BTC mining hype and problems with availability, so they were never anywhere close to the MSRP until the RTX4000 was released. ~$1k for the RTX3080 was actually an amazing price, as most stores had it for much more. You can't compare that situation a couple of years ago to what is now.

The official distribution sells graphics cards at low margins. I mean B2B, not retail. What other stores do can't be controlled. Of course, most cards from the distribution will go to small stores and scalpers, bumping prices to the roof.
 
Cards are waiting in stores, samples are being scheduled for reviews, and the initial release date was the end of January, but rumors say they moved it to March. If I'm right, then it's based on one X post, so who really knows if it's 100% accurate, but some websites repost it as officially confirmed. Knowing AMD, they try to avoid the next premiere failure and will probably wait for Nvidia's move and RTX5070/Ti release. Usually, they release their products first and then adjust prices later. The same 9000X3D, other than the 9800X3D, will have their premiere in March ... or did the guy who posted RX9000 info mix up release dates?
 
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Dolk said:
Hes a real guy working at AMD. He's one of the VPs in that business segment of AMD.
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I'm sure the person exists, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious if an account on social media is really the person they claim to be. Especially with the devaluation of the verification mark to be little more than an indicator that someone paid. Nothing on the account rings any immediate alarm bells. He doesn't even have Lisa following which would have tipped the balance clearly for me.
 
Dolk said:
videocardz.com

Alleged GeForce RTX 5090 prototype with 24576 cores, 800W power and 32GB 32Gbps memory has been pictured - VideoCardz.com

Future GeForce RTX 5090 Ti? This prototype card is reportedly 800W design. The first card with dual 12V-2×6 power connectors in the RTX 50 series is not an overclocking model like the GALAXY HOF or MSI Lightning but an unnamed prototype from NVIDIA. The card’s board was pictured and shared on...
videocardz.com videocardz.com

Vindication!!!

How's them apples @EarthDog ?? :D
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Mmmm...apples. But vindicated by a prototype that won't see the light of day (it's been around since July)? :rofl:

mackerel said:
I'm sure the person exists, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious if an account on social media is really the person they claim to be. Especially with the devaluation of the verification mark to be little more than an indicator that someone paid. Nothing on the account rings any immediate alarm bells. He doesn't even have Lisa following which would have tipped the balance clearly for me.
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Yeah, that's......weird. I've literally seen dozens sitting in carts/warehouse with a note on it (and a date) waiting to hit the shelves for the public.

I really don't know what to think...
 
Dolk said:
Its a win by technicality, so I'll call it a win :ROFLMAO:
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Yeahno. It's too bad I already conceded Halo cards may get it... but nice try (moving goal posts)! If it was worth bringing it to FE/most cards, we'd have seen it. Out of the dozen+ existing SKUs, none have it at this time. :)
 
I think it would be too expensive and compete with their business models. We are probably talking near $3K and required liquid cooling as fans wouldn't be able to keep up with it.

Additionally, the big unknown, is it even going to reach those power usages when it comes to games? It could be worthless to the current consumer market.
 
If the cards needed it, I believe we would have seen it on the 'non-business' SKUs. But like was addressed, power is locked down and there's up to 675W of In-spec power available to a '575W' card. Time will tell what it actually pulls (like less in-game unless you're running 4K+), but I don't expect these things to be a problem.
 
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Playing around with some numbers earlier. This shows a ratio of VRAM bandwidth to FP32 FLOPS as an indicator of where they sit relative to each other. 4090 was known to be bandwidth limited in gaming use cases, with the lowest ratio of the 40 series. It never got a chance to show what it could really do had it been fed sufficiently outside of some extreme VRAM overclockers. Anyway, 50 series has a better ratio in general, especially on the 5090. However this doesn't take into consideration the impacts of any caches within the GPU, or differences in how the cores handle gaming workloads as opposed to theoretical maximum compute.

Also interesting to compare 5080 to 5090. We've known for a while in silicon terms the 5080 is near enough half a 5090, but the 5080 clocks are higher, both core and VRAM.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, we finally have the 3DMark leaks

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Credit to:
videocardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 3DMark performance leaks out - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 5090 in 3DMark Straight from friendly reviewers. In just two days, NVIDIA will lift the embargo on the RTX 5090 Founders Edition and the so-called MSRP cards. This marks the first review coverage of the Blackwell architecture and offers an initial, although somewhat expensive, look...
videocardz.com videocardz.com

I would look at TimeSpy Extreme as an example of a pure raster game without DLSS/RT (for example PCVR), and Port Royal as an example of a DLSS/RT game w/o frame generation. In both cases, we see about 30-40% uplift.
 
yoadknux said:
Ladies and gentlemen, we finally have the 3DMark leaks

Credit to:
videocardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 3DMark performance leaks out - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 5090 in 3DMark Straight from friendly reviewers. In just two days, NVIDIA will lift the embargo on the RTX 5090 Founders Edition and the so-called MSRP cards. This marks the first review coverage of the Blackwell architecture and offers an initial, although somewhat expensive, look...
videocardz.com videocardz.com

I would look at TimeSpy Extreme as an example of a pure raster game without DLSS/RT (for example PCVR), and Port Royal as an example of a DLSS/RT game w/o frame generation. In both cases, we see about 30-40% uplift.
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See now THERE the whole "percent" thing (which I still think is stupid) finally makes SENSE: Have the fastest card be 100% and give the percentage away from that the other cards are. THAT actually makes sense at a glance.

I saw the 5090 FE unboxing yesterday...


...it was kind of pathetic.

"Hey, buddies! It's that time of year again! You give us TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS and we'll give you... A CARDBOARD BOX! No picture on it or anything!! But we did engrave the logo... in the cardboard... for you!"

Not ONE CHANCE IN HELL I would pay 2000 bucks for that. You'd have to give me a T-SHIRT or SOMETHING.

Failing that... the artwork on the box should at least be worthy of being framed!

I mean... SOMETHING.
 
rainless said:
See now THERE the whole "percent" thing (which I still think is stupid) finally makes SENSE: Have the fastest card be 100% and give the percentage away from that the other cards are. THAT actually makes sense at a glance.

I saw the 5090 FE unboxing yesterday...


...it was kind of pathetic.

"Hey, buddies! It's that time of year again! You give us TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS and we'll give you... A CARDBOARD BOX! No picture on it or anything!! But we did engrave the logo... in the cardboard... for you!"

Not ONE CHANCE IN HELL I would pay 2000 bucks for that. You'd have to give me a T-SHIRT or SOMETHING.

Failing that... the artwork on the box should at least be worthy of being framed!

I mean... SOMETHING.
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What's wrong with percentage? From those benchmarks, if a 4090 is 1x, then 5090 is 1.35x. If a 4090 gets 100 FPS, the 5090 gets 135 FPS.
By the way, regarding price, $1600 -> $2000, so 5090 is 1.25x the cost.
 
yoadknux said:
Ladies and gentlemen, we finally have the 3DMark leaks

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Credit to:
videocardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 3DMark performance leaks out - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 5090 in 3DMark Straight from friendly reviewers. In just two days, NVIDIA will lift the embargo on the RTX 5090 Founders Edition and the so-called MSRP cards. This marks the first review coverage of the Blackwell architecture and offers an initial, although somewhat expensive, look...
videocardz.com videocardz.com

I would look at TimeSpy Extreme as an example of a pure raster game without DLSS/RT (for example PCVR), and Port Royal as an example of a DLSS/RT game w/o frame generation. In both cases, we see about 30-40% uplift.
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I'll take it (30-40%). Raster performance increase may not be what some people are expecting, but if 80% of people use DLSS (according to NV) and DLSS 4 and RT performance is up there.....

... don't know if it's worth $2k, but still.

What's wrong with percentage? From those benchmarks, if a 4090 is 1x, then 5090 is 1.35x. If a 4090 gets 100 FPS, the 5090 gets 135 FPS.

By the way, regarding price, $1600 -> $2000, so 5090 is 1.25x the cost.
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Please don't get him started, lol...makes his head explode and I'm tired of cleaning up after that mess. :p
 
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