So, who's getting a 5XXX series card?

[Kenrou]

TLDR: not worth buying this above €450-€500 euro / £385-430 uk / $515-$570 us

"RTX 5060 Ti: It Couldn’t Even Beat Last Gen’s 70 Class..."

0:53 About the benchmarks & specs
2:34 3DMark Time Spy Extreme
3:22 Graphics card generations in comparison
4:06 3DMark Speedway
4:48 Star Wars Outlaws
5:08 Assassins Creed Mirage
5:21 PUBG
5:47 Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2
6:09 Cyberpunk 2077
6:39 Monster Hunter Wilds
7:10 RTX 5060 Ti TUF Gaming & GPU TWEAK III
8:59 Advantages of “Mid Range” vs “High End”
9:56 Efficiency overview
10:20 Disassembling the cooler & PCB
11:09 PCIe x8
12:01 Summary/Conclusion

Efficiency chart:


Comparison chart:

 

[Voodoo Rufus]

Looks like a pile of "meh" to me. $500+, gimped PCIE lanes and big.

Is 16GB even usable on such a card?

 

[EarthDog]

Looks like a pile of "meh" to me. $500+, gimped PCIE lanes and big.

Is 16GB even usable on such a card?

I agree. Wouldn't touch it over 500 (i thought msrp was 380/420), bit pcie lanes doesn't really matter unless you're rocking a 3.0 system in which, youre neutering tje card with whatever cpu is in there anyway. Lol.

 

[mackerel]

TechPowerUp testing shows minor reductions in perf from using older PCIe gens. Nothing you'll notice outside of a benchmark run. 1440p results here but 1080p/4k are within a % of that.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti PCI-Express x8 Scaling

The new NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti uses the modern PCI-Express 5.0 bus interface, but supports only an 8-lane configuration. This is just half the bandwidth of the higher-end models, which run at x16. Are you in trouble with an older system, which only supports running at PCIe 4.0?

www.techpowerup.com

In UK there are MSRP 16GB models still in stock (£400).

These have GDDR7 which over same bus width is over 50% higher bandwidth than the GDDR6 of 4060 Ti. Basically, bandwidth ratios of Blackwell has been far improved across the board compared to Ada.

 

[Haider]

Everything is way overpriced...

 

[Voodoo Rufus]

TechPowerUp testing shows minor reductions in perf from using older PCIe gens. Nothing you'll notice outside of a benchmark run. 1440p results here but 1080p/4k are within a % of that.
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti PCI-Express x8 Scaling

The new NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti uses the modern PCI-Express 5.0 bus interface, but supports only an 8-lane configuration. This is just half the bandwidth of the higher-end models, which run at x16. Are you in trouble with an older system, which only supports running at PCIe 4.0?

www.techpowerup.com

In UK there are MSRP 16GB models still in stock (£400).

These have GDDR7 which over same bus width is over 50% higher bandwidth than the GDDR6 of 4060 Ti. Basically, bandwidth ratios of Blackwell has been far improved across the board compared to Ada.

I noticed that after I posted it. Card is "slow" enough that the narrower lane count doesn't hurt it.

 

[EarthDog]

I noticed that after I posted it. Card is "slow" enough that the narrower lane count doesn't hurt it.

It doesn't hurt a 5090 either.

 

[Woomack]

I noticed that in the last generation, many users complained about an 8+8 PCIe config on most motherboards. Right now, I see that 16 PCIe lanes are not really required, while most motherboards have a 16+4 PCIe config that you can't switch into 8+8. If someone uses more than one graphics card for some specific calculations, AI, or whatever that can use more PCIe lanes, then new motherboards are worse than the older generation. I was searching for a Z890 mobo for work (programmers requested 2 GPU setup for some AI stuff) that supports 2 graphics cards at 8+8, and the only one that had enough space and 8+8 PCIe lanes was ASUS Pro Art. I don't care much as I don't use more than one PCIe slot, but it's a bit weird that manufacturers decided to limit that. For most users, ATX is as usable as ITX, even though it is twice as large.

RTX5060Ti is nothing special, but it was expected. At least it's ~160W card, so is good for smaller computers. At least in theory, as most models that I see, are still large 3-fan and 2.5-slot thick.

Btw. with all the noise about Nvidia power connectors, I can't find any 12V-2x6 white extension cable 16pin<->4x8pin in local stores or Amazon EU. I only see older versions, black and 2x/3x 8pin.

 

[Dolk]

I have my 5090 in a x8 lane setup as I'm forced to until I get a WB. I don't see any performance issues, although I'll probably gripe about it in the future and say that both the WB and the x16 lanes improved my performance.

Speaking of waterblocks, anyone seen any get shipped into the US recently? All this news about some of the blocks being available by the end of this month seems impractical now that we are in a full on trade war in the states.

 

[Woomack]

I was wondering what GB sent for review, as they only confirmed RTX5060Ti. Yesterday customs asked about the package and said it's an Eagle OC version. Today I see news about how this card looks and I simply had to share since so many complained about the PCIE x8 ... so yes, it's even physical x8. You have to wait for the review as it always take some time, but look at this:

Teardown of GIGABYTE RTX 5060 Ti EAGLE Card Reveals Stubby PCB Design & Short PCIe Connector

GIGABYTE's GeForce RTX 5060 Ti EAGLE OC graphics card model was officially unveiled on Tuesday (April 15). Two days later, the manufacturer's PR team disclosed extra in-depth details—a hype-up section stated: "(our) EAGLE series features a design inspired by the fusion of aerospace battleships...

www.techpowerup.com

Edit:
The card arrived, and it really looks like in the pictures. I wonder if anyone decides to release a full-cover block for this card

 

[mackerel]

Claim that the 576.02 drivers that released with 5060 Ti increases performance in 3DMark Steel Nomad, but not others in the 3DMark family.

Nach Update auf 576.02: Werden GeForce RTX 5000 mit dem neuen Treiber schneller?

Werden GeForce RTX 5000 nach dem neuesten Treiber-Update schneller? ComputerBase ist Berichten aus der Community nachgegangen.

www.computerbase.de

Guess what I'm about to run?

Edit:
Single run at stock with current 576.02 driver: 6819
Typical run at stock with launch driver 572.47: 6230
Increase of about 9.5%. Reported average GPU clocks increased from just under 2.5 GHz to just over 2.7 GHz.

Result

www.3dmark.com

 

[mackerel]

I ran a few other gaming benchmarks, and this improvement happens on them too!

The old data I have was with driver 572.70, so not the 5070 Ti launch version. All below at 4k.

Monster Hunter Wilds Benchmark - Ultra, DLSS Quality, FG off: 70.7 to 73.8 (+4%)
Black Myth Wukong Benchmark - Very High, DLSS 50%, FG and motion blur off: 70 to 78 (+11%)
Final Fantasy XIV Dawntrail v1.1 Benchmark - Max: 89.9 to 98.0 (+9%)

In general, I think the clocks are boosting more now but this is more a feeling than an exact numbers comparison. The latest driver scores are close to the manual OC results I got previously. For BMW I did note the power draw occasionally went over 250W, where it didn't with older driver.

I hope one of the usual channels will do more testing on this to see where it applies, where it doesn't, and maybe have a closer look if there is any difference to image quality.

Isn't there a newer DLSS transformer model in newer drivers too? Replacing the older CNN one. Which one is used if the user doesn't act? The transformer one is meant to look better, at the cost of lower performance compared to CNN.

 

[EarthDog]

@Woomack - That thermal gel tho........... you should see what it looks like on the 5090, LOL. It looks like someone put frosting on a cake, not the hot bits on a GPU, lol.




Thanks for that testing, mack! Hopefully they don't cause any trouble for me (didn't with the 5060 Ti review anyway).

 

[Dolk]

Some board engineer is still thinking back at this project and being happy with it lol. Its honestly impressive in terms of layout.

 

[EarthDog]

Its honestly impressive in terms of layout.

Until you get to the jenky power connector design.

 

[Woomack]

@Woomack - That thermal gel tho........... you should see what it looks like on the 5090, LOL. It looks like someone put frosting on a cake, not the hot bits on a GPU, lol.

A lot of that stuff is on the back of the PCB, and there is a thick blob on the back of the VRM. They used more for the back, under the backplate, than on the front components. The review will include photos. At least it was easy to remove the cooler, and the putty can be reused. I still haven't found cheap and good putty in stores. Thermal Grizzly is way too expensive for the amount in the package.

 

[mackerel]

Still on the driver thing, I just tried Blender 4.3.0 on it to compare directly with previous results. 7339.73 with latest driver, 7121.3 with older, or just over 3% increase.

 

[SF101]

I noticed that in the last generation, many users complained about an 8+8 PCIe config on most motherboards. Right now, I see that 16 PCIe lanes are not really required, while most motherboards have a 16+4 PCIe config that you can't switch into 8+8. If someone uses more than one graphics card for some specific calculations, AI, or whatever that can use more PCIe lanes, then new motherboards are worse than the older generation. I was searching for a Z890 mobo for work (programmers requested 2 GPU setup for some AI stuff) that supports 2 graphics cards at 8+8, and the only one that had enough space and 8+8 PCIe lanes was ASUS Pro Art. I don't care much as I don't use more than one PCIe slot, but it's a bit weird that manufacturers decided to limit that. For most users, ATX is as usable as ITX, even though it is twice as large.

RTX5060Ti is nothing special, but it was expected. At least it's ~160W card, so is good for smaller computers. At least in theory, as most models that I see, are still large 3-fan and 2.5-slot thick.

Btw. with all the noise about Nvidia power connectors, I can't find any 12V-2x6 white extension cable 16pin<->4x8pin in local stores or Amazon EU. I only see older versions, black and 2x/3x 8pin.

But why the hell did they not make these half height cards.
Would be perfect for a HTPC upgrade if they were, I need a low height card for 2 HTPC's currently and the selection sucks the big one.

 

[Woomack]

But why the hell did they not make these half height cards.
Would be perfect for a HTPC upgrade if they were, I need a low height card for 2 HTPC's currently and the selection sucks the big one.

It's still a ~160W card, so it needs a proper cooler. It's hard to do that with 40mm fans or something else that would fit low-height cards. That 5060Ti has a cooler twice as long as the PCB. There are models with 3-slot / 3-fan coolers. I have no idea why. It's probably a huge cooler, but they still saved on heat pipes. Recently, I noticed that MSI has regular and Plus series cards. Plus has 1-2 more heatpipes. Considering how much all those cards cost, there shouldn't be a version with a worse cooler.

 

[mackerel]

Makes me wonder, what's the highest power half-height GPU? IMO its seems best fit for <75W class offerings, the latest consumer one was the 3050 6GB I think? Since 4050 never existed on desktop, a 5050 could be a fit in that area bringing with it the efficiency gains over Ampere.

IMO half height cards are a niche, so probably something to come later once volume of regular size offerings stabilise.