First i know good and well i only need 32GB for my gaming rig.
But i want more and not so sure how or what.
I could get 2x more sticks of what i have for 64GB, But even if its accepted by the mobo im stuck running Jedec specs and most likey never be able to OC with 4 sticks in the Gen5 mobo.
Or just buy new ram with only 2 sticks and sell off my current ram.
Bad part of this is i cant find 128MB sticks so id be stuck at 96GB
So 4 sticks for 64MB or 2 sticks for 96MB?
Crucial has a 128GB set but the timings and speed sux with them. Anyone know of other better 128GB sets?
I know i can feel the backlash already. But please keep in mind its my money and rig. id just like to know what you would do if you had to choose between these options.
As a rule of thumb, 2 sticks are always better than 4. I have 4 sticks and can only run XMP/Stock. To me it isn't a big deal as now overclocking ram is not even worth it. You'll be busting your head chasing numbers for very minimal gains, unless you're benching.
Get a pair of the fastest ram you can afford/Mobo QVL list approved and call it a day.
Ive seen the outcome of 2 sticks vs 4 and benched during gains and the losses are miniscule. 2-4% frame drop with 4 sticks even tho they are slower and worse timings.
i really want them to OC tho so i can have fun maxxing them out.
48GB isnt enough for me, id like 96 or 128GB's worth. if i cant have that much ill stick with me speedy 32GB
Im just doing it for fun so i have no need nor do most people to run that much ram.
I know i may sound dumb in wanting this, but i have the cash and this may be my last build so why not have fun? lol
This is what im looking at until i can find a 128GB set.
Why not put the money you're wasting on more RAM or spinning rust drives than you need/could use towards a higher end video card or better monitor (OLED for example?).
Just seems like spending money in order to have 'something to tweak' which has largely gone by the wayside in newer generations of hardware. And knowing full well what forum we're on, I have less than 0 desire (personally) to mess with ram settings which only have results show in very specific benchmarks with no real world change.
As you've mentioned multiple times, it's your money, but we're all trying to give you the best performance for what you're spending.
Its cool, I understand where your coming from. We have been here 25 years or so and have matured.
If you looking in the AMD Graphics section you will see i just bought and waiting for delivery of a Sapphire 9070XT and a 32" MSI curved 4K monitor. they will be here Monday and Tuesday.
I dont need to tell you what storage i bought but you can guess. Same with my CPU, Im not here to brag.
Ive just bought everything i need and now i wanna buy some things i just want.
Id say i like tweaking even more than gaming but i will be doing both.
With the ram if i added 2 more matching sticks and populate all the Dimms i may loose 5FPS id never notice that unless im tweaking with benchmarks. But to spend as much as i have i dont want to settle for slower anything that just sounds dumb to me.
Its like a twin turbo Corvette, you dont spend that kind of money just to keep one turbo off while driving. No you would keep it at max power on your way to Piggly Wiggley!
I dont often have money like this as im on a fixed income and retired so when i got a good chunk of change sent to me i want to build the best PC i can.
Honestly im running out of things to buy and im trying to be creative even when its not the smartest move.
My rig can be left with these 32GB and do everything 128GB can do. But its nice knowing you have it.
If you have any suggestions on things to get and play with im all ears, I get bored easy.
Oh and btw i put my AIO out tonight and its in push/pull now. that **** i enjoy.
What's nice is finding a balance between, needs, wants and throwing money down the toilet.
As we said in your original build thread (we've spread to 3 threads now....) unused ram is useless. You want some overhead, but there is a sweetspot.
If you know you're fine at 32, get 48 or 64. 128 is just being, well, wasteful (and that's being polite). That's ok, but he aware you'll lower speeds and lose that tweaking ability.
If you want to tweak like you say, don't get 4 sticks like you've been told.
On AM4 4 sticks is beneficial, if you are not running 2R sticks. On AM5 4 sticks is good if you are bored, and want a challenge.. or need the capacity.
What's nice is finding a balance between, needs, wants and throwing money down the toilet.
As we said in your original build thread (we've spread to 3 threads now....) unused ram is useless. You want some overhead, but there is a sweetspot.
If you know you're fine at 32, get 48 or 64. 128 is just being, well, wasteful (and that's being polite). That's ok, but he aware you'll lower speeds and lose that tweaking ability.
If you want to tweak like you say, don't get 4 sticks like you've been told.
I think im gonna have to stop posting questions, And just search for my info.
noone disagreed with me 20 years ago when i put a freezer on my cpu and went sub zero.
thing were mentioned in this thread that brought out some of my words from my other threads. I didnt bring them up.
I think most the parts i have are all overkill, Why not? its my build.
I already picked out a 96GB 2x48GB set of sticks and ill pick them up soon.
I promise i wont bring up any more topics, Its not worth the stress.
On AM4 4 sticks is beneficial, if you are not running 2R sticks. On AM5 4 sticks is good if you are bored, and want a challenge.. or need the capacity.
Ive seen many videos where 4 sticks dont do well on AM5, usually all you can get is Jedec specs to run which is somewhere around 4600MHZ and loose timings. But you did hit the nail on the head im looking for a challenge but 4 sticks is too prohibitive i think.
I've not looked into it myself but there seems to be much marketing from module or mobo makers about hitting higher speeds with 4 sticks on AM5 than in the past. Not sure what changed to enable that.
IMO I went with "more ram than needed" myself because it was the way to guarantee I get 2R modules, for the measurable performance increase they have over same 1R modules. It isn't a big difference, but it is a difference. Mostly in the "you can see it in a benchmark" kinda level.
I don't keep up to date on ram OC, but it does sound like the 24/48GB modules clock better than the older 16/32GB modules. So maybe 2x48 is the sweet spot between all this.
I've not looked into it myself but there seems to be much marketing from module or mobo makers about hitting higher speeds with 4 sticks on AM5 than in the past. Not sure what changed to enable that.
IMO I went with "more ram than needed" myself because it was the way to guarantee I get 2R modules, for the measurable performance increase they have over same 1R modules. It isn't a big difference, but it is a difference. Mostly in the "you can see it in a benchmark" kinda level.
I don't keep up to date on ram OC, but it does sound like the 24/48GB modules clock better than the older 16/32GB modules. So maybe 2x48 is the sweet spot between all this.
If im not mistaken its the memory controller on the CPU thats not fully worked out yet.
Amazon went out of stock on the sticks i want 96GB 2x48GB But i found a new place thats reputable.
I just want enough ram to match the overkill on everything else. And then tweak the heck out of it.
ive heard good things about the TCreate 2x48GB kits and overclocking,Plus they come in a low latency and tight timings.
I need to look into this but i read about designating system ram just for the GPU to have ready, Its slower than on board ram but faster than hard drives doing the caching.
I appreciate your post as its not fun trying to constantly defend myself.
I apologize if I (or we) have come across as putting you on the defensive—that was never the intention. The original 7-page thread covered a lot of ground, from your initial budget of $1,000 for everything to where things currently stand, especially after upgrading your CPU and GPU. Given that your primary goal, based on the title of the original thread, is gaming, our intent has been to help you avoid overspending on components that won’t provide meaningful benefits—such as going beyond 32GB or 48GB of RAM—while ensuring you get the best possible performance for both your budget and build size.
As you pointed out, increasing RAM capacity (either through larger modules or additional sticks) can introduce a need for more tweaking, particularly if you plan to overclock. That’s why we’ve been mindful of offering guidance that balances performance with practical use. If your objective had also included competitive benchmarking—though that scene has largely faded outside of a few sponsored individuals or enthusiasts working with older hardware—our advice and recommendations may have been slightly different to prioritize extreme performance tuning.
I’ll admit it can be frustrating when experienced builders, many of whom have been doing this for over 20 years, offer advice that seems to be overlooked in favor of validation. If you're simply looking for confirmation rather than analysis, we can certainly acknowledge your choices. However, our goal has been to help you maximize your investment—especially given the financial constraints you mentioned—so that you get the best possible system without unnecessary costs.
Hope this helps clarify where we're coming from. Let us know how we can best support your build.
Barely any kits have 4 memory modules right now because of performance and/or compatibility issues. The best performance/capacity option you can get for AM5 is something like 2x48GB 6400 CL32. The CPU/motherboard may still not run at a 1:1 ratio at 6400, but then you can manually set 6200, which should work.
I will only add that I review all AM5 motherboards using the Kingston Renegade RGB 2x48GB 6400 CL32 kit. I have the Crucial 2x64GB 5600 kit in the queue for tests, but it's 100% Micron IC, and it won't OC well.
And what I was trying to share (in my bull in a china shop way, sorry) is that, the more you get, the less headroom you have for tweaking and you start at lower speeds. So you have to decide..........do I want more RAM for ***** and giggles (at the cost of losing performance and tweaking), or do you go with a middling amount and get some tweaking and higher speeds.
Barely any kits have 4 memory modules right now because of performance and/or compatibility issues. The best performance/capacity option you can get for AM5 is something like 2x48GB 6400 CL32. The CPU/motherboard may still not run at a 1:1 ratio at 6400, but then you can manually set 6200, which should work.
Hey OP, everyone here, including myself, is just trying to help you spend your money wisely and get the most bang for your buck. People here especially Woomack, has a plethora of hands-on information of RAM. Everyone here is trying to save you from the issues/problems we've already faced/encountered trying to overclock 4 sticks ram.
You've already made your decision of getting the 4 sticks of ram. And since you're dead-set on overclocking said ram, all we can say at this point is good luck.
I do hope, in all sincerity, that you are successful.
I apologize if I (or we) have come across as putting you on the defensive—that was never the intention. The original 7-page thread covered a lot of ground, from your initial budget of $1,000 for everything to where things currently stand, especially after upgrading your CPU and GPU. Given that your primary goal, based on the title of the original thread, is gaming, our intent has been to help you avoid overspending on components that won’t provide meaningful benefits—such as going beyond 32GB or 48GB of RAM—while ensuring you get the best possible performance for both your budget and build size.
As you pointed out, increasing RAM capacity (either through larger modules or additional sticks) can introduce a need for more tweaking, particularly if you plan to overclock. That’s why we’ve been mindful of offering guidance that balances performance with practical use. If your objective had also included competitive benchmarking—though that scene has largely faded outside of a few sponsored individuals or enthusiasts working with older hardware—our advice and recommendations may have been slightly different to prioritize extreme performance tuning.
I’ll admit it can be frustrating when experienced builders, many of whom have been doing this for over 20 years, offer advice that seems to be overlooked in favor of validation. If you're simply looking for confirmation rather than analysis, we can certainly acknowledge your choices. However, our goal has been to help you maximize your investment—especially given the financial constraints you mentioned—so that you get the best possible system without unnecessary costs.
Hope this helps clarify where we're coming from. Let us know how we can best support your build.
Thank you for your kind words and understanding. I know many people. Well most people dont see things i do.
When i made my original thread it was to be budget as heck as i didnt know id be running into a bit of cash. Thats the day everything changed for my build.
I still choke a bit when i see what i had to pay for the 9070XT, But the cash was there and i was on a course to where im at now. But i feel i went overkill on everything except ram, That why i made the post as i know not many would agree with me but i can still gleen good tips and info even when people think im nuts.
Alot to me is i look at alot of my posts as water cooler chat at work.
no one said NO dont do that when i bought my 9070XT, or even my 9900X. Both are way overkill for my needs. But i wanted to build a great pc so i went with it. Im still the same person i was back 25 years ago and was putting cryo freezers on my cpu. No one is like that anymore.
And its great to have someone try and save me money, But only i know what i can spend. Even tho im buying mad expensive stuff saving a few bucks on it really helps.
yes sometimes i do look for validation, Its just im a bit too extreme which people dont understand.
Thank you for your kind words.
Im off to Amazon to add an internal screen.
Im really waiting on UPS as my Crucial NVMe T705 2TB Windows drive to show up.
Barely any kits have 4 memory modules right now because of performance and/or compatibility issues. The best performance/capacity option you can get for AM5 is something like 2x48GB 6400 CL32. The CPU/motherboard may still not run at a 1:1 ratio at 6400, but then you can manually set 6200, which should work.
I will only add that I review all AM5 motherboards using the Kingston Renegade RGB 2x48GB 6400 CL32 kit. I have the Crucial 2x64GB 5600 kit in the queue for tests, but it's 100% Micron IC, and it won't OC well.
Ive read many issues with 4 sticks and they will only run at Jedec specks.
I linked the kit im gonna buy 2x48GB 96GB set of dimms. 4 sticks isnt an option as they run jedec and lower,Never faster ive seen.
if i could i would just buy two more sticks of the TCreate ram and have 64GB but forget fast speeds and tight timings.
And what I was trying to share (in my bull in a china shop way, sorry) is that, the more you get, the less headroom you have for tweaking and you start at lower speeds. So you have to decide..........do I want more RAM for ***** and giggles (at the cost of losing performance and tweaking), or do you go with a middling amount and get some tweaking and higher speeds.
thank you for the input. But i keep repeating myself now im NOT doing 4 sticks. In the link above is what im getting 2x48GB 96GB and that should more than fill me needs but also allow OC'ing and tweaking.
Hey OP, everyone here, including myself, is just trying to help you spend your money wisely and get the most bang for your buck. People here especially Woomack, has a plethora of hands-on information of RAM. Everyone here is trying to save you from the issues/problems we've already faced/encountered trying to overclock 4 sticks ram.
You've already made your decision of getting the 4 sticks of ram. And since you're dead-set on overclocking said ram, all we can say at this point is good luck.
I do hope, in all sincerity, that you are successful.
Nah its 2 sticks, Yes i could do 4x16GB for 64GB but the losses makes it not worth it. I know everyone has good intentions to help me with advice and also where to save money. My Rig went from $1k budget too what it is now so some confusion is on my end.
I cant wait to get all my parts here so i can remake my signature so i dont have to keep telling everyone what im running. I know you guys are tired of me having to repeat myself everwhere.
I just ran accross some ram info about AMD and the AM5 boards.
4 sticks you get jedec specs only no matter the amount of GB, I believe it was said 128GB on 4 sticks generally dont work at all. So populating all the slots kills your speeds,maybe even enough to be felt.
They did say 64GB and 96GB when used in pairs is fine with 2 sticks many reaching the 7K mhz speeds.
I dont think this will affect to many people as not many run 128GB but what it comes down too in the memory controller needs worked on.
Oh and when you buy 2x sticks get double sided for dual rank.
I just ran accross some ram info about AMD and the AM5 boards.
4 sticks you get jedec specs only no matter the amount of GB, I believe it was said 128GB on 4 sticks generally dont work at all. So populating all the slots kills your speeds,maybe even enough to be felt.
They did say 64GB and 96GB when used in pairs is fine with 2 sticks many reaching the 7K mhz speeds.
I dont think this will affect to many people as not many run 128GB but what it comes down too in the memory controller needs worked on.
Oh and when you buy 2x sticks get double sided for dual rank.
This is pure speculation. Just because you read ("They said") that a pair will run 7K speeds, does not guarantee your specific system (no matter how identical) will run the same speeds. Are you willing to spend that much $$ on a hunch or a " I hope it does" kind of thing?
We've been explaining to you how 4 sticks will not run/oc the speeds you are seeking.
Keep beating a dead horse and...well you know.. We're are not discouraging you at all, just stating facts.
This is pure speculation. Just because you read ("They said") that a pair will run 7K speeds, does not guarantee your specific system (no matter how identical) will run the same speeds. Are you willing to spend that much $$ on a hunch or a " I hope it does" kind of thing?
We've been explaining to you how 4 sticks will not run/oc the speeds you are seeking.
You know it took me a while to catch up to the PC world again but i think i have a decent grasp on what im doing.
First of all ive told you 3-4 times im not gonna be running 4 sticks,Most cases with those you only get Jedec speeds.
128GB on 2 sticks is questionable also on the memory controller as it sits, Smaller sticks are fine long as yo stay with 2.
Im not going on a hunch, I play the odds and i feel i have a 90% chance of getting 2x48GB or 96GB to run at their rated speeds.
I wont post things anymore that others may get help from as i have spent days researching this.
I miss the old days when people took chances and enjoyed trying new things here, Now everyone is old and grouchy. Ill take my butt somewhere else where people have open minds and enjoy PC building and pushing their overkill rigs to the max and not get ridiculed for thinking outside the box.
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