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You pretty much have the full ATX version of my mobo, so I'll take your word for it, went ahead and ordered.

Does your board only go up to 2.2v on the RAM as well? That's just about the only feature mine is lacking in..

Thanks
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but the higher-end 2GB DDR2 sticks (4-4-4-12 @800, or 5-5-5-15 @1000 ratings) all seem about the same. They may actually all be the same chips. They all take LOADS of tRFC to be truly stable at higher speed (like 54-55 for 1000MHz) and they don't really scale with voltage increases.

They're a pain to stability test too, because they'll pass memtest all day and all night if the tRFC is bit too tight, but give them a few hours of Large-FFTs and they'll eventually error. Bump the TrFC up a few notches, and Large-FFT becomes stable for as long as you want to run it (assuming the rest of the system is stable, of course).

I've had this happen with multiple sticks and multiple motherboards (made me hate Asus for their 42 tRFC manual limit on most boards).

I'm gonna try out Memtest HCI and see if it is faster at uncovering the instability.

Back to your question, I'd bet they are as good as any other, but I wouldn't believe the reviewer on Newegg claiming "441/882 @ 4/4/4/12/1t" I'm guessing he's about 30 seconds Large-FFT stable.:rolleyes:
 
Newegg reviews are good for a laugh. I'm wondering about tRFC though. My current setup, when I set the memory timings to 'manual' the tRFC is 0, but it says the default is 42. I just leave the thing on 0 since I'm not sure what it does. Hasn't seemed to cause any problems so far, though I was encountering a FSB wall I was unable to pass. Could raising that value help?

Thanks again
 
ratbuddy,

When you say your tRFC default is 42, I assume you mean the SPD data for its rated speed (800) is listing a tRFC of 42. If that is the case, and it is really the tightest setting I would assume that your 19% overclock would require about a 19% increase in tRFC which would put you right around 50 tRFC. If you memory can handle tighter timings consider yourself lucky. The SPD data has usually been about as tight as tRFC ever wants to go in my experience. In fact, I read on the Muskin forum that the rated 52 tRFC @1000 wasn't always stable and 54-56 was required to be 100%stable - suggesting that the RAM manufacturers aren't stressing their RAM enough when determining the ratings.

This is believable to me because of just how hard to uncover a slightly overtight tRFC is. Memtest and small FFT will never find it, and it can take many hours of Large-FFT to detect if it is just a bit overtight. I once errored after EIGHT HOURS of Large-FFT because of this.

I use a program called SPDtool ( http://www.techpowerup.com/spdtool/ ) to check the data on sticks. After you read the data from the module into the program, at the bottom of the screen is a tab called "timings summary" and there you will find the officially rated timings and subtimings of the stick. Be careful with that tool as it is easy to ruin your sticks if flashed with bad settings.

To check my "true" current timings I use a program called Memset ( http://tweakers.fr/memset.html ). It will also let you play with timings once in Windows (which will freeze like a ***** if you get too crazy with it). Since I doubt it is possible for a tRFC of 0 to so much as POST, this should tell you what it is really set to.
 
This stuff any good? Ballistix is 10 bucks more, but I'm sorta scared by all the stories of it dying off..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313042

I don't mean to scare you (see my thread in this section: "Team Xtreem RMA")
But I thought that Team would be a reputable brand. After I received my set from Team it would not post. After much troubleshooting, I tried one stick at a time. I got one stick to post but the other stick was doa. Of course they agreed to an rma after I ship the set back, but I seriously wonder about their quality control if they can't properly check if their ram works before selling it. Rma's are a hassle because I have to pay the shipping and any duties for both sending and receiving the kit. So the cost really begins to add up. So, this $70 set of Team from TankGuys will cost me about $140 when I get the replacement back. I just hope to god that it works:mad:
 
wow, $70 for shipping is a lot, are you sure about that?


anyway, i've seen all kinds of ram DOA, corsair, crucial, a-data, kingston etc..

they all have something slip through once in a while
 
It seems to be a sorta 'foreign' brand to the USA.. I can't find any reviews either.. Looking at Retro's post though, it seems this RAM might be Micron D9*** even? From most reports (except the dead Ballistix stuff) these chips are pretty good. Can't find any mention of Micron chips though.. And Team doesn't seem to have a USA website.. Oh well! We'll see how they clock when they arrive! The most important thing is that they aren't as tall as Corsair DHX series which hits my drive cage and makes it really tough to slide the mobo tray in place :p
 
wow, $70 for shipping is a lot, are you sure about that?


anyway, i've seen all kinds of ram DOA, corsair, crucial, a-data, kingston etc..

they all have something slip through once in a while
Ya, the costs are correct, this is for the cost of it being shipped from Team to me, and for me to ship it back, plus duty charges. But if I get a good replacement set then it's still not a bad deal for Team ram.

It seems to be a sorta 'foreign' brand to the USA.. I can't find any reviews either.. Looking at Retro's post though, it seems this RAM might be Micron D9*** even? From most reports (except the dead Ballistix stuff) these chips are pretty good. Can't find any mention of Micron chips though.. And Team doesn't seem to have a USA website.. Oh well! We'll see how they clock when they arrive! The most important thing is that they aren't as tall as Corsair DHX series which hits my drive cage and makes it really tough to slide the mobo tray in place :p
I guess most brands can be considered foreign in a way, since even the U.S. brands like Corsair get a lot of their chips from companies like Micron which is often made in factories overseas now.
Good reference for checking D9-based ram brands:
http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/
In spite of my rant, I think Team does have a good record. That is a great deal at the Egg for 4GB of Team ram, and I think your set will be Micron D9-based. It should be an excellent set. Now I'm gonna unwind while I wait for mine:beer:
 
@ Retro Why the big expense for shipping? The Team I got from Tankguys came from California, have you tried talking to them on the phone?

Larry
 
@ Retro Why the big expense for shipping? The Team I got from Tankguys came from California, have you tried talking to them on the phone?

Larry
I will clarify all my costs. First of all, I live in Canada (B.C.), so the shipping costs themselves are higher than shipments within the U.S. My kit also came from Team in San Jose. TankGuys have no control over this, they just do what they have to to get it to me. Also, because it has to cross the border, I have to pay Canadian duty fees, usually upon delivery from FedEx. The government here basically rips us off for bringing in something from the U.S. (so much for the free trade agreement!). So it's about $23 for FedEx ground from San Jose and another $15 for duty. I had to send the ram back to Team prepaid. I use Purolator here although it's transferred to another U.S. courier when it crosses the border into the U.S. This cost me another $32 to send it. That adds up to about $70.
So the $70 set of ram has now gone up to $140.
I don't know if Team will prepay the freight to ship it back to me, so there is another $23+.
That's why I dread rma's:beer:
 
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I just did a Team Group RMA, arranged RMA in 1 day, sent out RAM, processed and they sent out package same day, got new sticks in 6 days.

Had to pay shipping though.
 
I just did a Team Group RMA, arranged RMA in 1 day, sent out RAM, processed and they sent out package same day, got new sticks in 6 days.

Had to pay shipping though.
They are quick arranging for the rma. Did they send the new ram back to you prepaid or did you have to pay for that too?
You live in LA, that's about 341 miles to San Jose.
For me it's 1018 miles:p
 
I will clarify all my costs. First of all, I live in Canada (B.C.), so the shipping costs themselves are higher than shipments within the U.S. My kit also came from Team in San Jose. TankGuys have no control over this, they just do what they have to to get it to me. Also, because it has to cross the border, I have to pay Canadian duty fees, usually upon delivery from FedEx. The government here basically rips us off for bringing in something from the U.S. (so much for the free trade agreement!). So it's about $23 for FedEx ground from San Jose and another $15 for duty. I had to send the ram back to Team prepaid. I use Purolator here although it's transferred to another U.S. courier when it crosses the border into the U.S. This cost me another $32 to send it. That adds up to about $70.
So the $70 set of ram has now gone up to $140.
I don't know if Team will prepay the freight to ship it back to me, so there is another $23+.
That's why I dread rma's:beer:
FedEx ground from Canada to pretty much anywhere in the USA for a package that size is $11-$12. I just RMA'd a mobo back to Asus, $12 and change. $32 to ship to them is ridicules...Purolator is the rip off, not the canadian government. as for duty on the way back to you after the RMA, there shouldn't be any. i have had RMA's from Asus and Intel and never paid duty on an RMA return because the commercial invoice should be marked as warranty replacement.
 
FedEx ground from Canada to pretty much anywhere in the USA for a package that size is $11-$12. I just RMA'd a mobo back to Asus, $12 and change. $32 to ship to them is ridicules...Purolator is the rip off, not the canadian government. as for duty on the way back to you after the RMA, there shouldn't be any. i have had RMA's from Asus and Intel and never paid duty on an RMA return because the commercial invoice should be marked as warranty replacement.
No FedEx office here, I would have to drive a couple hours to send it by them.
I did insure the shipment and went for an expedited option, which may be why it's more expensive. I just noticed the package has arrived at Team so it was pretty fast getting there.
You are quite right about the duty on rma's. It should be stipulated that the item is for repair or a warranty replacement. Then there shouldn't be any duty charges. But sometimes the company fails to declare that fact and duty is charged. This has happened to me in the past with EVGA.
 
They are quick arranging for the rma. Did they send the new ram back to you prepaid or did you have to pay for that too?
You live in LA, that's about 341 miles to San Jose.
For me it's 1018 miles:p

I sent them dead RAM (1 stick bad out of 2), they sent me back good RAM.

I didn't pay anything except shipping.
 
I sent them dead RAM (1 stick bad out of 2), they sent me back good RAM.

I didn't pay anything except shipping.
Thanks for the info.
Same as me, 1 dead stick. Main thing is that you got back a good working set.
And I hope I will too. I should get my replacement set sometime this month.
After they ship it another 1018 miles again:p
 
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