sorry guys, i don't like comparison posts either but i've gotta do this outta curiosity. i was wondering if there is any real big justification for spending the 30 or 35 bux more for a leadtek winfast pro 64 over the msi starforce 831. also, do any of you have the 831 and/or know what speed the ram runs at? i'm guessing 6 since that's what newegg lists the 820 at but i'd like to be more certain. if the leadtek is that much better of a card, would i be better off buying the leadtek 32 meg, which is about the same price as the msi 64 meg model? i'd like to cut that 30 or so bux out to put towards the new glaciator. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.