The Day 'Dozer Debacle

[jamesbritt268]

As we all know, our hearts as amd fans have been bruised with the initial perfomance of daydozer. In walks the shiny new fx-8150!


In classical narcoleptic fashion, As soon as the 8150 walked in the door it randomly fell asleep before the benchmarks. So most of us are either still holding onto our trusty ol thubans/denebs, or are going back to the evil galactic empire of intel. (The cloaked emperor lowly encouraging the hate to flow through you so your training can be complete)

Most of the benchmark results had a initial feeling of "wow i waited for this" to "you know they came closer" kinda feeling. But seeing the 1100t overclocked versus the fx 8150 might not bode well for the fx. How could this be? Did operation scorpius get cut from the defense budgtet?!?!?!


So now we have the rumors of shared cache errors, windows scheduler problems, and a host of other "possible" issues as to why in the world you would release something that is even out performed by your own older architecture. Amid the high level corporate firings, and the space heater you just decided to buy anyways or at least read every review about looking for that astronomical ray of hope that some magical solution rears its head and and all is happy again in amd fan land.




Well, I'm no silicon creating genius, but something tells me that the whole architecture was a bad idea from the get go, the whole shared resources thing. If your going to use a shared cache between two units, wouldn't it make sense to have it very low latency?

I mean have you ever watched siamese twins try to mow the lawn and go for a run at the same time? Some ones gonna get the short end of the drive shaft, and or stump of the leg left behind after the mower blades win.



So what do you really think? I mean i myself am simply dumbfounded to extent of being speechless that this processor hasn't at least beat its own previous offerings by a solid margin.

(I mean maybe the one half of the siamese twin girl turns her head when its nookie time and gets lazy)



And at the end of this freakshow, comes the amd sales rep on newegg tv waving his guiness world record framed and shiny. It was like it belongs in a ripley's believe it or not museum in Niagra falls.



His selling points were the o so convincing:
"They're all unlocked processors!"
"They come with a collectors tin!"
"These are our enthusiast class cpus!" and
"we were so proud of our fx we decided to bring it back!"



Well while he blows some more of that marijuana smoke he and amd must be smoking, while slinging collectors tins out of his inside jacket pockets in shadowy alleyways (he might wanna get used to that if they continue down this road), how about some real performance selling points? How are you better then your competition?!?! We don't need to see the newegg guy bromancing you.

video link is here

http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=34&name=CPUs-Processors



Well the whole thing is a downright saddening sideshow, You got intel sitting up there at the disney world of cpus, meanwhile amd is hanging out with the traveling circus. But hey, who doesnt love goldfish and sand painting while OD ing on cotton candy, just make sure you duck the domestic violence by the beer tent. Waiting for the jokers carnies to get whooped by amd's batman going "why so SERIOUS!?"

Let's hope they hit that bat signal fast. :0


Let's face it, cpus have made such a huge leap over the last ten years, maybe we are all just spoiled by the performance gains of the evil empires 2600 amd deathstar.

Maybe some magic fix or refresh puts out the heat of the fire at the amd carnival, and turns it into a competitive epcott center.

I give amd kudos for trying something different and gutsy, creating there little siamese cpu most likely with high hopes.


..............But so was the same intent of the doctor that created frankenstein.

I sincerely hope that after i go back to intel maybe amd will get there act together. I always hate not being with the underdog.

Anyone still have hope they might come through ever again and offer top performance?

But this launch will be forever remebered as the Curse of the zambino.

 

[Cigarsmoker]

I think AMD should focus on their strength which is APU. Instead they are trying to beat Intel by adding more inefficient cores. More cores means more heat and more heat is good only if you live in the Artic. Socket 939 had this advantage over Pentium D until Intel turned the table. AMD have been playing catch up ever since.

 

[jamesbritt268]

I agree with you. It seemed like this was there way of trying to out do intels hyperthreading on a hardware level, going with theoretically stonger hardware style threading.

But it seems as if theyre neglect to IPC has once again cost them. ITs like watching them walk into a wall over and over.

 

[Cigarsmoker]

That's what happens with incompetent leadership. Hence the revolving executive door.

 

[Brolloks]

James I really liked reading your 1st post, entertaining humorous yet very insightful....and sadly true!

 

[jamesbritt268]

I tend to deal with tragedy through humor

 

[MattNo5ss]

I enjoyed the OP as well.

Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying...

 

[Archer0915]

Can we have this tweaked and front paged? We may lose friends at amd that way though.

 

[jamesbritt268]

I just think that software hyperthreading has won here because its not making two pieces of hardware fight over resources, but merely making one piece of hardware more efficient between down clock cycles.

If amd was to give each thread its own cache and then crank up the ipc efficiency i think you would have better results.

I mean its sad that a phenom 2 die shrink and core additions alone would have most likely outperformed this along with a memory controller upgrade.

The level three cache speed must also be addressed if this design is to flourish. A faster cache would prop the design up a little.

 

[jamesbritt268]

I could sensor it to make it more friendly if you wanted it like that while maintaining the message and humor lol.

 

[Nebulous]

I could sensor it to make it more friendly if you wanted it like that while maintaining the message and humor lol.

Nahh, keep it that way. It sure made me laugh!

 

[Brolloks]

Agree, no need to sensor it, you are not attacking AMD at all, just making very good observations and doing it in a very enjoyable way

 

[jamesbritt268]

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...an-excuse-for-poor-bulldozer-performance.aspx

Another interesting read and delsuion added to the saga.

 

[RGone]

Very Interesting Read...

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...an-excuse-for-poor-bulldozer-performance.aspx

Another interesting read and delsuion added to the saga.

If you did not read every line for what is really being said and look closely at the timeline as it seems to play out...then one could just say huge conspiracy theory.

However the exact tactics of beating up what does not lean in your favor is being used at the political level today and so hardly to be dismissed at the corportate level. Yay for them that support me and bang heck out of them if they don't support me.

So damn a benchmark that no longer lends itself to my performance goodness. Sounds real enough to be real.

 

[Brolloks]

Very interesting read....a couple exerts from the AMD source that made me sadly shake my head...

"Bulldozer is going to disappoint people because we did not get the resources to build a great CPU, and it's not that we needed billions of dollars to make it a leader. We needed investment in people, tools and technology."

"Many of our best engineers are leaving to join companies like Apple, Freescale, Qualcomm, Samsung even NVIDIA and Intel - people that thought they would never work for another company."

 

[Archer0915]

Very interesting read....a couple exerts from the AMD source that made me sadly shake my head...

"Bulldozer is going to disappoint people because we did not get the resources to build a great CPU, and it's not that we needed billions of dollars to make it a leader. We needed investment in people, tools and technology."

"Many of our best engineers are leaving to join companies like Apple, Freescale, Qualcomm, Samsung even NVIDIA and Intel - people that thought they would never work for another company."

If the stock did not come down because of the Release flop the came down because of those statements. Glad it probably will not hurt the OEM sector and tings will rebound.

 

[jamesbritt268]

Then you throw into it that newegg and other retailers were charging 280 bucks for a 8150, If the price doesn't come down, they'll really be losing after the initial sales.

The best was one person put a comment on newegg about how he got pulled over by the cpu speed police, and my first thought was, were they on a skateboard?

 

[Brolloks]

That is the fall of many technology leading companies, lack of leadership at the top, cutting back on resources and creating smoke and mirrors to promote inferior/aging technology...sooner or later it catches up to you, looks like AMD's CPU division is on that path, hope the new CEO sorts it out and pull them back on track.

 

[jamesbritt268]

Well its corporate culture in general i think. Its always do more with less, increase profit margins while pushing whatever half A**ed product you can while trying to make people think its quality.

At some point someone tries to pinch pennies too much and it falls out flat. Theres sometimes where you have to invest and spend money to make money and quality of product will drive your sales and profits over cost cutting measures.

On a side not another interesting thread

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153498

 

[Archer0915]

Then you throw into it that newegg and other retailers were charging 280 bucks for a 8150, If the price doesn't come down, they'll really be losing after the initial sales.

The best was one person put a comment on newegg about how he got pulled over by the cpu speed police, and my first thought was, were they on a skateboard?

Well MHz mean nothing remember? When the Athlon and PIII were whipping up on the P4? So yeah I can wind this bad boy out but I do not have enough low end to spin the tires.

Car analogy coming: This is like putting a small 4 cylinder against a Diesel. Crank up those RPMs and move down the highway @ 80 taching 3500-4000 RPM and get passed by a diesel chugging at 2000RPM.