to cool or not to cool

[flixotide]

All too often I see people advising others that AMD cpu's running at temps 60 are in the danger zone for damage.

If one browses through the builders guide, how they suggest cooling be added to AMD systems50 c's is great sport.. 60 is normal, first critical at 70.
Anything lower than 60 would usually force towards extra costs, that woud otherwise make an Intel system at same price, but cooler.

I doubt anyone with standard fan and standard case had temps as low as 50 on palomino systems, and it is still designed to be used in standard environments.

So to all the newcomers, I'd suggest not to react unless it hits 70, and request from the rest, that if you give an advice for the sport of going as low as possible, then state so.... not all people are "coolers for sports" people.

Cheers, Flixotide

 

[Yodums]

I disagree bro. You must remember those temperatures labelled on the AMD PDF Files and website is targetted for stock systems. Overclocked systems usually lose their stability around 60 celcius. Not to mention, most people have boards with the insocket-thermistor so the temperatures are highly inaccurate and they maybe higher than what they really are reporting.

I always try to leave some head room just in case anything pops up -- in the middle of summer and this major heatwave tears through.

Your chip may not last very long at 60-70 degrees too. When overclocking we apply voltage and that is not very good for it to keep it at those high temperatures.

So where do we draw the line? To me it'd be 50 degrees max and that's where I'd start looking for better cooling.

 

[diehrd]

I agree I have had several AMD systems crash at 55c.Ya just cant trust these darn eletronic gadgets used to read temps LOL....

 

[flixotide]

Interesting comment... very.. and to some parts I actually agree with you.

The very reason why I bring up the topic, is the actual extra dough most people have to spend, in order to keep their AMD's cool.
In many cases I've seen people spend money on a new case, a few fans, some AS etc... and hey, before they know it, they've blown the budget and spent more time on the system, than you would have if you had gone for an intel processor.

Not that I am an Intel or AMD fanatic at any point, I use the best of both worlds... but it seems unfair to me, that overclockers recommend what to me seems like extreme cooling for people who have no initial intention to OC, but just want to know if their CPU is running too hot.

And again, then I believe temps around the 60 is fair enough... as for lifetime of such a component, I'm yet to see a puter die due to heat or simple use, even after having had 500+ systems under my control the past 7 years. (some having been oc'ed, others not)
Yes, the life-time decreases, not a single doubt there, but most people will not experience a dying CPU if it is first-hand.. used or older parts more likely... of course unless they OC it or just plainly mess up while installing it, but that to me. is an entirely different story.

Cheers, Flixotide

 

[juliendogg]

good points on both ends, true, 60c may be just dandy for a stock amd system, no o/c'ing involved and definately no over-volting. but lets be simple about this, this is an overclockers forum, if someone comes here asking questions, they're going to get an overclockers point of view, and i'll agree with yodums as most other overclockers will, if your temp sensor reads 50c or higher it's time to look for better cooling.

 

[deathstar13]

with high fsb and high vcore,when temps hit over 50c all heck breaks loose. stock systems may be fine at this temp.even tho i dont recomend it.

ill also add,once you get deeper into ocing and pushing a pc's performance to its maximium you will greatly appriciate the need for great cooling.

the reason also we stress low temps so much, overclocking can only be done safley with good temperature regulation.without it you may burn cpu's or shorten thier life alot,couse instability, ruin any chance of raising the mhz.

so i HIGHLY advise ALL new people pay HIGH attention to temperatures.we dont "cool for sport" we "cool to oc" big differance.

 

[Yodums]

Interesting comment... very.. and to some parts I actually agree with you.

The very reason why I bring up the topic, is the actual extra dough most people have to spend, in order to keep their AMD's cool.
In many cases I've seen people spend money on a new case, a few fans, some AS etc... and hey, before they know it, they've blown the budget and spent more time on the system, than you would have if you had gone for an intel processor.

Not that I am an Intel or AMD fanatic at any point, I use the best of both worlds... but it seems unfair to me, that overclockers recommend what to me seems like extreme cooling for people who have no initial intention to OC, but just want to know if their CPU is running too hot.

And again, then I believe temps around the 60 is fair enough... as for lifetime of such a component, I'm yet to see a puter die due to heat or simple use, even after having had 500+ systems under my control the past 7 years. (some having been oc'ed, others not)
Yes, the life-time decreases, not a single doubt there, but most people will not experience a dying CPU if it is first-hand.. used or older parts more likely... of course unless they OC it or just plainly mess up while installing it, but that to me. is an entirely different story.

Cheers, Flixotide

Good point however, I feel as if they are upgrading cooling and everything as an interest for computers. I mean with all the money we spend on cooling and everything, we mine as well buy a new top of the line chip or something. Also keep in mind Northwoods do put out a fair amount of heat -- hotter than XPs so the price you put into cooling will be fairly the same.

For some people computers are a hobby and like any other hobby, it will cost money. Some people may play hockey and consider it a hobby and they spend massive amounts of money on equipment etc. and knowing they may never make it into the big leagues one day -- it's all for the fun.

I would still draw the line at 50 celius. Consider yourself lucky if you can hit 60 degrees on an overclocked system since you'll experience lock ups from heat around 55 celius even that's why I recommend staying around 45 celius so you can leave some head room.

Yodums

 

[Wommalong]

good points on both ends, true, 60c may be just dandy for a stock amd system, no o/c'ing involved and definately no over-volting. but lets be simple about this, this is an overclockers forum, if someone comes here asking questions, they're going to get an overclockers point of view, and i'll agree with yodums as most other overclockers will, if your temp sensor reads 50c or higher it's time to look for better cooling.

To true

 

[flixotide]

Very good replies all over... I suppose I got the replies I initially expected.

The whole idea was to start up the subject "is this crap really necessary?"...

As O/C'ing and keeping temps low is also a hobby of mine, and modding for fun too.. I wouldn't wanna disagree, but when a newbie non-o/c'er comes along, I wouldn't ask him to chuck 100 bucks worth of cooling in his computer, before I'm really sure what he wants.

Cheers to ya all, and thanks for positive contribution ot the subject.

Flixotide