tualtin or NW?

[mikester]

someone mentioned before that an upgrade from my current rig (700e, cusl2) to a tualatin rig (1.2 celly-t and st-6) would be just as expensive as a 1.6A Northwood and a DDR mobo (such as P4S333)...

can anyone back this up? or deny it? im thinking the NW would be better, am i right?

 

[D2DM]

CUS mobo can be modified to accept Tualatins.
So eliminating the need for the ST6.

Check the 20000 view thread for more info.

e.g. this link from Martinus:
http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~roggefam/tua/tuareport1.html

 

[rogue1979]

Not true, while the NW 1.6a is a great bang for the buck, you can get a 1.0a Tualatin for $70 shipped, and a motherboard for $56 shipped. That's $126 total, cheaper than the 1.6a without a motherboard, not to mention the cost of upgrading to DDR memory.

 

[Peter007]

I'm in the same boat as you are: mired in confusion whether I should go with Northwood or Tualatin

I'm leaning toward the Tualatin for NOW:

1. It is cheaper, since you can recycle your SDRAM and save about $100 from having to buy DDR
2. You also save $40 from having to buy a P4-compliant ATX Powersupply
3. You also save $20-$40 on the Pentium 4 Heatsink

So It really boils donw to cost. However, P4 is clearly the future. If you don't mind spending $$$, then P4 is the way to go

Another point you may want to consider is the upcoming Pentium 4 chipset from VIA and SIS that support dual-channel DDR like the nVidia. This mean you can put 2 DDR together (2100g/s) and get a 4200g/s bandwidth.

I believe the upcoming VIA P4X400 and SIS 758 will have this feauture, and they should be out by September.

 

[funnyperson1]

i would say if you are willing enough and you think you have enough skill to do the trick in the link that D2Dm provided you then the tualatin is the bes course...if not id get a P4 or stay with your rig until the dual-channel ddr comes out....the NWs will scream with that bandwith....

 

[davefred99]

It all boils down to money vs performance. Tullys are cheap and resonably fast. Northwood P4s are more expensive and can really fly when Oc'ed and have lots more memory band with to work with. If you are going to upgrade your mobo and memory go for the P4 northwood. To me a P4 is clearly in my future and I hear all kinds of talk about new DDR chips based on something called odm or ddr-11 that is supposed to add new life to DDR. I am researching the possibilties myself and will be interested to here more comments.

 

[bellylard]

I'm in the same boat as you are: mired in confusion whether I should go with Northwood or Tualatin

I'm leaning toward the Tualatin for NOW:

1. It is cheaper, since you can recycle your SDRAM and save about $100 from having to buy DDR
2. You also save $40 from having to buy a P4-compliant ATX Powersupply
3. You also save $20-$40 on the Pentium 4 Heatsink

So It really boils donw to cost. However, P4 is clearly the future. If you don't mind spending $$$, then P4 is the way to go

Another point you may want to consider is the upcoming Pentium 4 chipset from VIA and SIS that support dual-channel DDR like the nVidia. This mean you can put 2 DDR together (2100g/s) and get a 4200g/s bandwidth.

I believe the upcoming VIA P4X400 and SIS 758 will have this feauture, and they should be out by September.

1) You can just sell your old RAM and pretty much pay for the DDR
2) With an Asus board there is no need for a P4 rated PSU, because of it's quick plug molex
3) Not too sure what you mean here, but if you mean the stock heatsink won't do, it will do, just give it some AS and you will be fine. Actually on mine im not even using AS yet, just the crap that was on the heatsink and im running my 1.8 @ 2.4.

 

[doer]

imho as many have reported getting modified tualatin-cpu's to work on older mobos, I'd suggest you to take that route... if you're willing to do the modifying. (and some risk)

get 1,4Ghz tualatin celeron if you want to go 100Mhz FSB
get 1,0A or 1,1A tualatin celeron if you want to overclock it to 133FSB
(1.2A is difficult to get @133fsb, DON*T get it unless there is a new stepping available or you're planning watercooling)

1,4Ghz would be double the Mhz than your 700p3

 

[ShiFtY2001]

My drunken opinion:

P4 is ghey
Tualatin [email protected] 0wnz! plus you have money left for MORE BEER

hehe... and ive got sandra here with me to prove it

 

[TASOS]

The cheap solution is to modify your mobo and get yourself a celly
1.0A or 1.1A and overclock it.

If money is not a problem...then get a Northy 1.6A or 1.8A plus a
good SiS chipset mobo (Epox 4sda+), some cas2 ddr333......
...overclock....and fly in happyness

 

[mikester]

well...im still unsure.

but, i think ill wait till that new chipset for DDR p4's comes out. that would be very nice to have.

also, im not really that confident with modding a cpu, im a student and still strapped for extra cash, so frying one would mean the end!

thx for the replies!

 

[Sir-Epix]

someone mentioned before that an upgrade from my current rig (700e, cusl2) to a tualatin rig (1.2 celly-t and st-6) would be just as expensive as a 1.6A Northwood and a DDR mobo (such as P4S333)...

can anyone back this up? or deny it? im thinking the NW would be better, am i right?

I think that the st-6 and the Celly would be cheaper then the northwood and the DDR mobo. I run the ST-6 now, I picked it up a couple months ago for 86 bucks. It is a fine motherboard, but I feel it doesn't really live up to the hype, for me at least. We you think about this money factor you must included all the odds and ends. For example if you go with the Northwood and the DDR board do you have to buy DDR. Right now that ram is at a premium price. So getting back to the question the tualtin rig would be much cheaper. I know my system with a P3 1GHz Cumine is stable as a rock @ 145 but gets flakey around 149.

 

[davefred99]

It all depends on what other components you need to buy. If all you are missing is a mob and the cpu you will be out about $160 for an st6 + cely-t 1.1a. For a Northwood 1.6a + a ps333 you will be out about $235 (latest newegg prices). So no it is not cheaper to go with a northwood based on that. Also the northwood will require DDR memory @ about $85 for 256k. Other things to consider are your video card and a p4 pwr supply.
So it all boils down to your budget also is your current sdram pc133 or better or will you need to replace it too if you upgrade to a celly-t.
Someone I think suggested maybe you could sell at least you old ram to help pay for the norty system.
I have 2 celly systems now and am pretty happy with the 1.1a but will be replacing the 1.3a with a norty 1.8a and a p4s333 or p4s533 when they are out. Then I will turn the celly 1.3a into a dedicated internet and MP3 machine.

 

[mikester]

dave,

why would i have to replace my video card? ive never heard of that one...

 

[davefred99]

You would not necessarily have to replace it. I wasnt sure if maybe you had a mobo with on board video or something. Otherwise if your happy with what you got and its still good, no problem.
Good luck