Upgrading from a 2011 build

[infinitevalence]

But you can... it's title dependent (see my link), and you can use DLSS/FSR. Sometimes with increased IQ...and that's at 2560x1440 for the OP... 1080p... it's more viable across more titles.


Respectfully, your bias is clear, lol. And that's OK, it's your world and you chose to live it.... but understand 98% of gamers don't.

I think my frustration is that my bias is for best value/performance per $$. So I prioritize 60fps high no DLSS/FSR. I dont dislike Nvidia, I do dislike how they have priced the 4xxx series and their VRAM choices because I think both are bad for consumers. I do think that DLSS is better tech than FSR, but I dont want to pay more money for lower quality ever. I am not going to render at a lower resolution on either nvidia or amd period.

The way my math works AMD wins in every price point and performance point under about $700, and nvidia wins in every price point and performance over about $800. Things right in the middle are muddy and tend to be far more game specific.

So when a person comes to the forum and is looking at a 4070 class card, I dont want to convince them to buy AMD, I want them to educate themselves and evaluate their needs. If they are happy with scaling, and find more value in RT than not, nvidia is the clear winner. If they dont care about RT because all they play is older games but want the best quality they can get on a $500 budget then AMD is the clear winner.

Part of why I jump on this subject every time is because as a group and for good reason OCF tends to be nvidia and intel biased, because for the last 10 years they were the unequivically clear winners in every catigory. Today things are less clear and may be shifting so the default get intel get nvidia recomendations may not always be the best choice or value.

 

[EarthDog]

I do think that DLSS is better tech than FSR, but I dont want to pay more money for lower quality ever. I am not going to render at a lower resolution on either nvidia or amd period.

It sounds like you're hung up on the concept/idea more than you are the result.

Feel free to look at some of the latest IQ comparisons with DLSS (esp. DLSS3) and see what it's like compared to native. Half the time, you won't be able to distinguish native from DLSS and sometimes it's actually better (says reviews). You can spot the differences/lesser quality more often with FSR, though.

AMD, I want them to educate themselves and evaluate their needs.

Nor me with Nvidia. I have the same goals; just trying to put relevant facts out there for the OP(s) to chew on. Power connectors and Linux and not treating both sides equally with RT performance/cutting it off at X level, need not apply.

This place may have a slight lean, but, overall I think most of us are fair and try to share what we know so they can make the best choice possible for them.

Anyhoo, we've again went in circles, lol. I'm standing down. OP has more than enough info to make an educated decison. I suppose we won there, LOL.

 

[TheWorstPathfinder]

You can... just not on all titles...and because AMD's RT performance is notably lower, even fewer there would reach 60 FPS. You'll have to use some form of DLSS/FSR, moreso on the AMD. Point was that if it's a negative/unplayable for NV at that SKU level, it's a negative/unplayble for AMD too. It's not a hit on only NV and worse of a hit on AMD. Like fractions, do to one side what you do to the other, lol.


Next month...ICANT, LOL!

I see several titles that would be 60 FPS w/o any of those features at the OP's 2560x1440.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super Founders Edition Review

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super launches today, boasting a solid increase in GPU cores, ROP units and cache. This enhancement brings its performance much closer to that of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti, at a price point of $600 that signals strong competition for AMD's Radeon RX 7800 XT.

www.techpowerup.com

That's raster performance... here's how the 7900GRE stands (an overclocked 7900GRE, mind you) holds up in RT titles...

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I may be grossly oversimplifying this, but for Raster and RT it seems like at retailer prices the price/performance calcs suggest:

1) The non-Ti and and Ti 4070s are distinct buckets.
2) The Super version of each bucket is the better price/performance choice, though the difference is limited.

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It sounds like you're hung up on the concept/idea more than you are the result.

Feel free to look at some of the latest IQ comparisons with DLSS (esp. DLSS3) and see what it's like compared to native. Half the time, you won't be able to distinguish native from DLSS and sometimes it's actually better (says reviews). You can spot the differences/lesser quality more often with FSR, though.


Nor me with Nvidia. I have the same goals; just trying to put relevant facts out there for the OP(s) to chew on. Power connectors and Linux and not treating both sides equally with RT performance/cutting it off at X level, need not apply.

This place may have a slight lean, but, overall I think most of us are fair and try to share what we know so they can make the best choice possible for them.

Anyhoo, we've again went in circles, lol. I'm standing down. OP has more than enough info to make an educated decison. I suppose we won there, LOL.

I appreciate the vigorous debate and am much closer to an informed decision than where I began.

Now if you could debate retail part prices down by about 20%, that'd be great. Thanks a bunch.

Oh, and I'm going to need you to arrange a tax-free holiday that applies to these parts too. We've lost some purchasing power due to inflation recently and we're kind of playing catch-up.

 

[EarthDog]

I may be grossly oversimplifying this, but for Raster and RT it seems like at retailer prices the price/performance calcs suggest:

I'd say grossly overcomplicating it, lol. I don't buy into separating performance like this. You're balls deep in the minutia, and IMO, for little reason.

Look at the charts... it's X% slower in raster, and XX% faster in RT for $XX more dollars than the competing AMD card. Take what IV and I have been going on about and weigh that WITH YOUR PARAMETERS. Not mine, not his... YOUR needs.

My advice... get the best you can/want to afford. You'll be happy with any of these, but since you do plan on keeping the GPU for longer than the average bear, you should stretch to the 4070 Ti Super and the 16GB. I just don't find the cheaper AMD cards (7900XT) at that price point compelling (poor RT, power use, slower than 4070 Ti S) for more vram in this case. A 7900XTX for $ more that is faster and more vram?? You may feel differently (we know IV does, lol).

Now if you could debate retail part prices down by about 20%, that'd be great. Thanks a bunch.

Oh, and I'm going to need you to arrange a tax-free holiday that applies to these parts too. We've lost some purchasing power due to inflation recently and we're kind of playing catch-up.

 

[infinitevalence]

Look at the charts... it's X% slower in raster, and XX% faster in RT for $XX more dollars than the competing AMD card. Take what IV and I have been going on about and weigh that WITH YOUR PARAMETERS. Not mine, not his... YOUR needs.

100% this, were nerds arguing over fractions. Evaluate based on your budget, and your needs. Not ours.

A 7900XTX for $ more that is faster and more vram?? You may feel differently (we know IV does, lol).

I would not recommend an XTX even at its current price point UNLESS someone never runs RT, never wants to scale (DLSS/FSR) and does not need to worry about power efficiency. I would recommend an AMD card with 16 over any Nvidia card at 12gb vram at the same price point.

 

[EarthDog]

I would recommend an AMD card with 16 over any Nvidia card at 12gb vram at the same price point.

7600XT too?

I kid... I know you're saying 7800XT+ (but I still disagree with the blanket statement).

 

[TheWorstPathfinder]

Parts are on the way. Everything except the GPU as I'm going to wait on that and see how pricing works out 1Q 2025.

If I'm found dead in the next 2 weeks, the wife totally did it. Except no one will be able to prove it.

Just kidding, sort of.

 

[TheWorstPathfinder]

UPDATE: Build is done, for the moment. Waiting to upgrade the graphics card.

A few notes:

1) Cable management isn't my thing, but I plan to make it somewhat better.

2) The GPU waterblock in the zip-loc bag is a remanent from a past build. I left the block on until I decide which new GPU to buy and if I'm going to WC it.\\

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[Woomack]

If you haven't already, enable EXPO/XMP. It should improve performance by 5-7%.