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Venice won't work with NF3/4 boards??!!

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I think that POWER and RESET switch on the board is a pretty nifty idea. In all honesty, I think a CMOS reset switch would be the best idea, though.

I bought a switch from Radioshack and trying to figure out how to connect the switch to the three CMOS pins on my Neo2. I don't want to solder anything to the board, so I'm trying to figure out how to do it. I think I'm going to cut off USB pin wires from an old case and use those. Some cheap cases come with the USB pin wires singally instead of grouped.

I usually use a small screwdriver to short the pins to POWER up the PC without a case.
 
Here are my thoughts on the improved .90nm (Venice) rev. E issue with existing motherboards:

Motherboard manufacturers design the boards based on available engineering data given by AMD in this case. A prototype is built and tested with a reference CPU. Any problems encounter are reviewed for subsequent modifications. Final product is produced, tested, and accepted prior to mass production. This scenario is typical in all manufacturing and design.

Now here’s what happened. AMD incorporated a change to the .90nm core (Venice). The change was a material upgrade to the internal memory controller to improve CPU performance. This change subsequently caused a change to the pin location for the reference S939 socket design. I am not sure if this was discovered by accident or was a known condition. I do know timing is the essence here as AMD is about the release the new cores and the motherboards are scrambling to make Venice functional.

I believe there is a lot of fear and hysteria created here thanks to the media. I am 100% sure AMD has share the improved .90nm product with nVidia and motherboards for impact and functionality. I am sure all suppliers have agreed with AMD change. I believe a simple solution is available but unknown for the time being. That is why I will have to wait for another month or so to see how this will pan out.

I just want to share some basic understanding how manufacture companies and their suppliers work together to produce items. Changes are inevitable. Hope this information is useful for some.
 
Is it just me or did that article seem extremely stupid with its repetition? That article was dragged on a little too much. It could have been worded much better, and with half the amount of words.

Thanks for the info, though.
 
It is true that sometimes people lose focus in the struggle to deliver 'serious' news. The article didn't really say much more than what is in the headline. It really only had one purpose, to report that AMD had confirmed the issue. Although, what you might interpret as repetition is just part of journalistic writing. When a writer only has one bit of new information to report he spits it out first then goes through the less important, older, or more general information on the subject. This is usually referred to as The Journalist's Pyramid. You might also take into account that X-bit Labs is a Russian website.
 
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It's okay. I just get bored by repetition, and quite frankly I get annoyed by the lack of intelligence when it comes to ones own profession. A writer that has his work publicized in articles should qualify at least as a decent writer. This person, on the other hand, lacks for the qualified performance of his profession (in my eyes)... but then again, let's not get off topic. :)

Well, keep us posted on more articles if you see anymore. I haven't really read up much on the launch.
 
“If a board hasn’t had its BIOS updated, it won’t support the AMD Athlon 64 rev. E part. Nothing out of the ordinary there. Some mainboards are just behind with BIOS support. And some mainboards are ahead of the game and have already updated their BIOS,” Mr. Muzny added.
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Is DFI one of these companies that are "ahead of the game"?

Also, what their saying is that if that company have not atleast updated their BIOSes before their shipped, then you have to buy an extra s939 CPU just to update the BIOS before you can buy a Venice/Diego? I know about BIOS Saviors, but can you upgrade them to the latest version on a different motherboard and then install them onto your other board? For example, I'm planning on going straight from this s754 Gigabyte K8NS-Pro 3400+ system to a 3200+ Venice with the DFI SLI-DR. Could I plug the BIOS Savior into this motherboard and update it to the latest DFI BIOS? I highly doubt that... So really the only option a person with my situation has would be to buy a cheapo s939 CPU, wait for the new BIOS version, update it, and then sell off the CPU and THEN buy a Venice?

Again, this is all if DFI has not shipped their boards w/o a BIOS that will not support revision E CPUs.

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I thought of a way. I can put the Savior in this mobo, update the Savior with the latest DFI BIOS, then I can take it out, put my old BIOS back in my mobo, and the Savior in the DFI and then it should work.
 
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I doubt you'd have to do that. That sounds completely obsurd. I'm sure they'll either have a stack of mobos to support it for ppl that need it (and a stack of the old ones with other supported cores to sell out), or they'd already be flashed well before they are sold/shipped.

I highly doubt that you'd have to do that 'buying a cheapo winchester' trick. :)
 
g0dM@n said:
I doubt you'd have to do that. That sounds completely obsurd. I'm sure they'll either have a stack of mobos to support it for ppl that need it, or they'll all be flashed before they are shipped.

I highly doubt that you'd have to do that 'buying a cheapo winchester' trick. :)
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Yeah I agree, it does sound obsurd. That's why I have hard time believing that I would have to possibly do that, but I think I came up with a solution in my last post.

Have any of you heard about DFI and there current BIOSes supporting E chips FOR SURE?
 
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No, not specifically dude. Keep us posted. I think I'm going to get the DFI nf4 sometime soon.
 
This situation is not unprecedented, it happened with several boards when the Winchester chips came out. This including the Abit AV8 and yes I was part of the fun. I had to order a flashed BIOS chip from a 3rd party for $25 to get a functional system. Abit eventually started shipping BIOS' for free, weeks too late.

Godman, the problem isn't really the BIOS being available for download or the new boards X motherboard company is shipping having Revision E supporting BIOS'. The board you buy might have been sitting in the distribution chain for months and have an older BIOS.
 
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This situation is not unprecedented, it happened with several boards when the Winchester chips came out. This including the Abit AV8 and yes I was part of the fun. I had to order a flashed BIOS chip from a 3rd party for $25 to get a functional system. Abit eventually started shipping BIOS' for free, weeks too late.

Godman, the problem isn't really the BIOS being available for download or the new boards X motherboard company is shipping having Revision E supporting BIOS'. The board you buy might have been sitting in the distribution chain for months and have an older BIOS.
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I dont mind spending an extra $25 , but then again I shouldn't have to.
 
I LOVE MY BIOS SAVIOR! I used it in my NF7s (both), and now I'm using it on the neo2. The only thing about linking to that is that they are EMPTY. You would need a previously flashed BIOS to work with Venice if your current doesn't support it.
 
g0dM@n said:
I LOVE MY BIOS SAVIOR! I used it in my NF7s (both), and now I'm using it on the neo2. The only thing about linking to that is that they are EMPTY. You would need a previously flashed BIOS to work with Venice if your current doesn't support it.
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Yeah, thats why you have to put it in another mobo, flash it, then take it out and put your previous BIOS back in it. Because if you try to boot a Gigabyte mobo with a DFI BIOS, you know what would happen... nothing at all! :p
 
If you are upgrading your S939 CPU to rev E. core, then just do a flash.

If you are upgrading from a CPU platform other than S939, then you have 2 options:

1. Wait until the MBs ship the correct bios for Venice,

2. Buy another bios chip with the correct bios for Venice.

MBs shipping the correct bios chip to run Venice could be an option, but that will cost money to the companies. I don't think that will happen.
 
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