Venice won't work with NF3/4 boards??!!

[TimoneX]

I hate to start an AMD/Intel war going on, but I doubt an AMD on air cooling could have better general performance than an N0 prescott at 4.2GHz.

It would take one fast AMD to keep up. These Intel's have been clocking very VERY well on little vcore lately.

Who's on air? P4s need to clock very high to perform. I wouldn't mind picking up a 600 series to goof around with, but they're not very good values IMO. It looks like Intel just got a needed shot in the arm and 600s are clocking well. Great, I'm happy for Intel users, but I don't think the price/performance mantle will be passing to Intel's favor anytime soon. If E0s get anywhere near 3Ghz then we'll be right back where we are now. A 3Ghz E0 vs a P4 [email protected]? Doesn't sound like a very favorable outcome for the Prescott, but we shall see.

..and I've never...not once EVER spent $250 on a mobo, and have no intention of doing so now.

 

[@md0Cer]

Most likely, but time will tell. Sooooo who wants the ghinea pig Cuz it aint me this time

Agreed. This is all speculation as I don't think any of us know for sure at this point. "Time will tell."

Unfortunatly, I think I have witnessed you being the ghinea pig for just about every new CPU on AMD's side of the fence (until now with the N0 Prescott) for a while now.

 

[@md0Cer]

Who's on air? P4s need to clock very high to perform. I wouldn't mind picking up a 600 series to goof around with, but they're not very good values IMO. It looks like Intel just got a needed shot in the arm and 600s are clocking well. Great, I'm happy for Intel users, but I don't think the price/performance mantle will be passing to Intel's favor anytime soon. If E0s get anywhere near 3Ghz then we'll be right back where we are now. A 3Ghz E0 vs a P4 [email protected]? Doesn't sound like a very favorable outcome for the Prescott, but we shall see.

..and I've never...not once EVER spent $250 on a mobo, and have no intention of doing so now.

Well, I pretty much agree with all you have said. The 6xx Prescott's are doing very well on air. I have seen a few doing 4.2+GHz on stock vcore.

You are right, we shall see, but I do beleive the N0 p4's at over 4.2GHz will still hold up will to the the E0 AMD's, however "time will tell."

AMD is still the best bang for the buck in my opinion, and that is why my next CPU will probably be an AMD, however if I had lots of cash to spend like our buddy sen here, I probably would go the Intel route as well.

 

[TimoneX]

Still depends on your primary usage. I'm betting a venice@3Ghz will beat up on a 600 at gaming even worse than [email protected] beat up on P4s around 4Ghz now. This equation will not change anytime soon. AMD will still be the bang for the buck champ and Intel will still be the hyperthreaded multi-tasking champ.

 

[Sentential]

If ya'll wanna flame take it into a PM .

Does anyone know if this is BIOS only related or is the physical hardware FUBAR?

 

[c627627]

I'm trying to reach Fuad as we speak to clarify that exact point as well as the source of this hard to believe news because who, then, will buy Venice next month?

 

[Sentential]

Angry Games went to get an offical statement from DFI and from Oskar. We will get to the bottom of this damnit!

 

[c627627]

Congratulations on coming out Sentential.

 

[Sentential]

Congratulations on coming out Sentential.

Its not what you think lol. Its cuz I hit 10k posts. <damnit why does yodums have to like pink so friggin much>

 

[man_utd]

The Inquirer statement sounded irrily reminiscent of Prescott and most 865/875 boards. My guess is most bios updates will cut back on maximum voltage to limit current draw.

 

[Sentential]

The Inquirer statement sounded irrily reminiscent of Prescott and most 865/875 boards. My guess is most bios updates will cut back on maximum voltage to limit current draw.

Yea which is why I am worried that it is a power issue and NOT simply a BIOS hack

 

[TimoneX]

Even the normally unreliable inquirer said "some" nF3 & nF4 boards. It does sound very much like P4 boards prior to prescott's release. I'll wait for a more reliable source to run with this story before getting at all worried about it.

 

[c627627]

1. We know from AMD documents about the revision E switch 3 weeks from Monday.
2. Who, just who, will buy those chips in three weeks if this can't be fixed through BIOS.

 

[TimoneX]

AMD would be cutting their own throats by releasing a chip that's not compatible with the most popular chipsets on the market. Then again they have been rather quiet about this release.

 

[Sentential]

1. We know from AMD documents about the revision E switch 3 weeks from Monday.
2. Who, just who, will buy those chips in three weeks if this can't be fixed through BIOS.

We already know that the TDPs for Sandiego is 89W

 

[TimoneX]

This is from X-bit labs:

Although the maximum thermal design power (TDP) for Socket 939 processors is set to 89W, like with Socket 754 CPUs, AMD demands a certain reserve from the mainboard makers, with a proposed TDP of 105W. It is expected that the heat dissipation of Socket 939 processors will grow up considerably with the launch of models on the 90nm tech process. Thus, it is quite possible that the future Athlon 64 will be as hot as the notorious Prescott-core Pentium 4.

Seems like if mb makers heeded AMD's recommendation then the new chips shouldn't be creating a problem due to power consumption.

 

[glock19owner]

*wonders if they (the inquirer) got this info from someone that had some serious user error(s) more then hardware error*...

 

[TimoneX]

Well we all expected a bios update to be necessary. I didn't see any specifics regarding bios updates in that very short "article".

 

[@md0Cer]

Well, I mean how much power could it draw? If they can handle the FX-55, there shouldn't be any problems with this unless it eats up more power.

I don't think the thermal protection would be an issue either, as I don't think the CPU eating up LESS power would be an issue in terms of how much the board could provide.

And if that is the case, why would it just be NF3 and NF4 boards?

 

[TimoneX]

They probably had a sample size of 5 boards, all with nF3 & nF4 chipsets and went for the theatrical headline. I don't mean to question their journalistic integrity...but I question their journalistic integrity.